Sarawak Sir Charles Vyner Brooke Stamp With Colour Variety?

HI,First of all.I missed you all very very much.I have not been here for such a very very long time becouse I was damm busy and from now,Im a free man .I have just bought this stamp on ebay and received it on yesterday.

This is a 1947 Sarawak sir vyner brooke 20c stamp.I think the RIGHT stamp colour is variety from what I see(IM NOT BLIND OR BLIND COLOUR,HOPEFULLY).I can see the right stamp colour is olive and red instead of olive-green and carmine printed on the left stamp normally(there is only one colour mixed with another colour listed in any of the stamp catalogue).I believe this stamp with colour variety,it could be a new discovery and maybe the most expensive british commonwealth stamp ever discovered.If the world most rarest and expensive stamp the yellow three-skilling baco ever sold for $3 million dollars on 13 years ago at the auction house,how much this stamp is worth?what do you think?Please check this stamp out and let me know what you think,your opinion and suggestion are very helpful to me,your help is very much apprieciated.Thank you and have a nice day.

PLEASE ENLARGE THE PICTURE BELOW AND SEE THE STAMPS CAREFULLY.

Very nice. Stanley Gibbons states that it should be olive-green & carmine and to me that is the stamp on the right, while the one on the left is green & red. But SG does not list that version. I guess anythings possible!

If you think you have a color variety, you should have it expertized locally to make sure it's not a color changeling.

If it is a true color variety/error, it will have a premium, but not anywhere close to the Gul Treskilling Banco error of color.

Either way, both stamps are very nice copies!

Good luck!

With older stamps, it's hard to tell when one is dealing with a shade or with a true color error. Because of inconsistencies regarding the inks a shade may well become a different color altogether, and may not necessarily be an error. Look at the Canadian 3c Small Queen, where the number of different shades/colors can number in the dozens.

From what I understand, in a lot of cases, the inks were mixed on site at the printing plant, and usually the "recipe" for the color desired could have entailed the mixing of pounds of ingredients. With this in mind, it is easy to see that the exactness in color of one batch of ink compared to another produced at a different time of the "same" color may well have resulted in variations. In the cases where the same color was used for a lengthy period of time, those ingredients themselves may well have changed to using something else to get that color because of cost, scarcity, etc. which would have also resulted in variations in the finished ink. On top of that, some inks or ingredients may have become unstable over time, resulting in something different.

There was no scientific way to ensure things carried on specifically the same, even from one batch to the next.

Add to this possible reactions with different paper stocks, sheens of different paper stocks, and just basic over- and under- inking, and it's a wonder you can find two stamps that are exactly the same from this period.

Question is, where is the "tolerance level" in regard to these variations?

warrehouse is right -- one appears to be plain old red and green, and the other appears to be carmine and olive-green. I don't have my catalogue in front of me, but if any of the other stamps in the set used carmine and olive-green, you may well have an error where the wrong color was misassigned to the value, but I'm thinking that that would be the only possibility available to justify considering this to be a true error.

If it is, whether or not its value approaches the lofty heights you're thinking of depends on what everyone else thinks. If this issue is known for having multiple shades, I'm afraid you may be out of luck.

Oh my god,all my friends.I have just realized one thing that the right stamp colour looks so much difference than the real stamp viewed by a pair of naked eyes.Beside this picture is showing over here,i have also emailed to a few stamp specialists for identifying the colour of the right stamp and most of you would say that the right stamp centre colour is light-green or yellow-green but nobody would say its an olive colour.IT IS BECOUSE I TOOK THIS PICTURE WITHOUT FLASHLIGHT,SO THAT ALL OF YOU SEE THE LIGHT-GREEN OR YELLOW GREEN BUT ACTUALLY THE TRUE COLOUR IS OLIVE OR OLIVE-BISTRE,NOT A LITTLE GREEN COLOUR AT ALL.I TRIED TO TAKING THIS STAMPS PICTURE WITHOUT FLASHLIGHT FOR A FEW TIMES,THE COLOUR IS STILL THE SAME,CONFIRMED IS MY CAMERA PROBLEM.Finally at this time,i took this two stamps again with flashlight and the right stamp colour on centre shows the correct stamp colour appeared on the picture.I am sure all of you include the stamp specialists would see and realize that the right stamp colour on centre is OLIVE or OLIVE-BISTRE this time.I took the stamps picture below with my camera flashlight,please enlarge the picture and see the stamps carefully then compare with the first picture,you will see colour is completely difference.Enjoy!!

OK, I had edited this comment out of my original post because I was confused by the scan colors. Now with the more "accurate" scans, I would say it looks like the right stamp is either faded or a color changeling. I base this on the fact that ALL the colors (including the overprint) are a lighter shade in the right stamp.

That's just my opinion based on the scans. The stamps would have to be examined physically to make the final determination (really hard to confirm color variations by just scan alone). You should take it to a local stamp dealer to examine if possible.

KHJ,I dont think the right stamp colour is faded (including the red overprint becouse the stamp colour is still fresh like new and you see the red colour overprinted looks like faded becouse of my camera flashlight was too bright on the right stamp so make it looks like faded.Both stamps flame and overprinted colour are the same just the centre person colour are difference from what I see.I just wanted to make something clear.

Another thing is I dont think there is a TRUE stamp specialist in my country(malaysia)can help me to identify if this stamp colour is a variety or not.Most of them say their stamp specialist but actually their not at all.Beside that,we have a philatelic society of malaysia but they do not expertise and issue certificate anymore becouse our local certificate is not recognised and allowed in foreign country.Anyway,thanks for your suggestion,I think I will send it to royal philatelic society of london to certify the colour is a variety or not and obtain a certificate for it.Thanks alot.

Warrehouse,I have checked my old stanley gibbons catalogue in 1952.The colour is listed as olive-green and carmine and now the stanley gibbons latest catalogue 2009 edition listed as green and red,so does the SG online catalogue.I was wondering and curious why did they change the colour listed in the SG catalogue before.Of cause it makes many people confuse for the colour listed in the catalogue.Does scott catalogue occasionally keep changing the colour listed in its previous catalogue before?I dont know becouse I dont have any scott catalogue.Hope someone can explain why this could be happened.

Here is another SUPERLARGE,CLEAR AND SHARP scan showing below.Both stamps are in difference position this time.Now looks like the red overprinted on the right stamp is faded and the red overprinted on left stamp is normal.

Yes, switching the stamp positions was an excellent idea. Now you know why I say it is difficult to verify color shades from a picture alone. While a simultaneous scan is preferable, even then final ID must come from physical examination of the stamp.

If you want to send it RPS, feel free to do so. It is probably not economical, but if it gets certified, then you can present the certificate to Scott or SG and they will consider adding it to their listings.

Regarding changes in color descriptions in the catalog, usually (not always) when that happens, it is because the editors had originally considered one variety to be a color changeling and have now changed their minds!

While Scott and SG often differ in color description because they are not using the same color standard, there are a very few stamps that differ in color description because of color changeling issues. In other words, for these stamps, color changelings are known to exist, but the different catalog editors actually disagree regarding which one is the color changeling!

Personally, I prefer to let the "experts" argue over it, while I spend my time trying to get the other stamps that they do agree on!

Thanks for posting the new pics!

Let us know the final outcome!

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