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Posted 03/05/2016   11:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add raymeyou to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
hi to you all I am wandering if the 1913 George Washington 2 cent if it is common to have a upside down watermarks on them and if not how rare
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Posted 03/05/2016   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Issued in 1913?
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Posted 03/05/2016   4:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add raymeyou to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I meant 1903 Scott 319 it is good too see the someone is paying attention
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The booklet horizontal watermark (319g) is highly desired. I`ll see what I can about upside down.
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Posted 03/05/2016   7:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No mention of upside down watermarks that I can see.
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Normal 319 sheet stamps will have a horizontal watermark (reads in the horizontal direction) in one of four orientations while 319 booklet pane stamps have a vertical watermark (reads in the vertical direction), again in any of the four possible orientations. See the following Stamp Smarter link:

http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa...ntations.htm

It would be more helpful if the web page was clear about the reasons why horizontal and vertical watermarks will not be found in the same printing or variety. While the terminology is confusing, the Scott catalog usage should be followed or at least mentioned.

It should also be noted that paper grain orientation is important enough that the Bureau rarely got it wrong. Such an even occurred while 279 and 279B was printed and Scott minor varieties were added to the specialized catalog recently. Because of paper shrinkage, mixing paper grain directions in the same printing would result in the error stamps being grossly off center in some part of the sheet. It should also be noted that "special paper" for booklet panes was used to print higher values of the Fourth Bureau issue after production of booklets was converted to rotary press printing. By then, stamps were not watermarked, but the special paper variety can be easily detected by small differences in height (shorter) and width (wider). Since the entire 1928 printing of the Special Handling stamps was on special paper, it is possible to distinguish that printing from the later printings.

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Posted 03/05/2016   11:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Clark, I'm a bit confused. This chart identifies 319g as having a horizontal watermark.

http://www.stampsmarter.com/1847usa...entifier.htm
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Posted 03/06/2016   01:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KGB,

The Scott listing in the Scott 2016 US Specialized Catalog is a bit confusing. The third line reading "wmk, horizontal" describes an error variety. Compare the $125 price for a normal booklet pane with $3,000 in italics for the error. Unfortunately, there would be no way to identify a single as being from the error pane unless it happens to have a wide or bottom margin without a center line.

Please carefully read all of the notes for Scott 279B, 301, 319 and 319F booklet panes.

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Posted 03/06/2016   04:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 1847usa web site has been modified, thank you.
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Posted 03/06/2016   08:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGB to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Clark!
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