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Possible # 500 ?? It Has My Attention !

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Posted 03/07/2016   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As I posted. "Slippery slope"
So hard to tell an offset vs flat plate based on a scan .
Based on foil test I did, I believe last stamp in thread is an offset so can't be 500?
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Posted 03/07/2016   6:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all of you, too many to mention, for your input.

I am not disappointed to hear the news. I had my own
opinion on this stamp. As I had mentioned, the lack of red
ink on the rear of the stamp was my 1st clue, that it was not
from the flat plate printing press. When it comes to the
ribbons, even after reading about them several times,
I still am not comfortable as to be sure.

I will soon post another which I know is a #500. It has a "Weiss"
certificate. Many of us have admired and miss his work.

For those of you who remember my # 500 block
of four, next Monday, will be four months since my check was
deposited for it's expertising!

While we are on the subject. I bought this recently as a # 500. From,
what I would think is a reputable dealer. Please let me know your
thought's. I believe I see some red ink spotting on the rear of this stamp.








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Posted 03/07/2016   6:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rlmstamps2012 -

The stamp is a 500 but with a somewhat light impression, possibly one of the more poorly entered positions on plate 10208.

rgstamp -

Believe what you want, but the foil test is not as reliable as comparing with another stamp with known characteristics. You will not find an offset stamp with as much ink around the toga button as your stamp has. By the way, if you want to sell the stamp as a 528B, I would happily buy it at the 528B price, even though it is badly off center. It would never command a premium price but still has worth as a reference copy.

Clark
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Posted 03/07/2016   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Clark, thanks for your opinion. I originally thought it was a 500, then second guessed myself.
Rlm... That stamp above looks like has very light lines for 500 type 1a. I would think it was 499?

Good news rlm .. Scott 546 type III is cool stamp to have

Well the 2 copies I thought were 500, I still don't know for sure.
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Posted 03/08/2016   12:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rgstamp -

I would suggest you look again. Over the last few years I have found at least 80 Scott 500 stamps. The record was 20 in about 2 hours while sorting through about 25 envelopes of 100 marked 499. The plating mark, a partial second line at the top of the right ribbon is absolutely clear. An article by Richard Prothero in the United States Stamp Society "United States Specialist" a few years ago documents the plating of the five and ten subject transfer rolls used to produce the two type Ia plates. (Two stamps in plate 10208 were reentered with the regular transfer roll and are Scott 499.

I expertize specialized aspects of the Washington/Franklin issue for various committees including the APS.

Clark
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Posted 03/08/2016   4:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Clark for your post.
I do not know enough to be sure about many things.
I do know that with the amount of red around the
toga button, that it was not a #499.
As I stated, I would post a used # 500 with a "Weiss" Cert.






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Posted 03/08/2016   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Back in the day, many moons ago, what is today catalogue #500 was catalogue #499d. Interesting that 499d is penciled in on the back of your #500. Don't know what year that changed, but I've a 1949 cat. with the #499d listed.
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Posted 03/08/2016   9:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Al E. Gator,
The reason I bought that stamp was that 499d
was noted on the back side. It is the same note that
is on the back of my # 500 block of four.
Thought I would share photos of that block.
As I said, the block has been sent for certification..
At that time I was not even using my scanner!
Any thought's cfrphoto, or from anyone with, or without
knowledge in this area.







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Posted 03/08/2016   9:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like 500 except shade of stamps, but that could be monitor issue/scanner thing. The weiss certified one is much deeper color.
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Posted 03/08/2016   10:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey rgstamp,
The bottom pic is a scan and shows it's true color.
That was taken to show to you folks with higher dpi.
on a previous thread.
Thanks for your chiming in earlier, however sometimes
too many stamps on one thread can be confusing.
I will look forward to any thoughts on 499d.
On a previous thread someone said the 499 Type 1 was
much rarer than the Type 1a # 500. They did state that it
was not yet recognized by Scott. I still am not sure what that means.
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Posted 03/08/2016   10:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rgstamp -

The block has the lighter shades sometimes seen on Scott 500 examples.I have owned examples with this exact shade. Again, the close up shows a type Ia plating mark in the right ribbon. Please read the United States Specializt article by Dr. Richard Proretho. I posted a link to the article in another thread on this forum.

CLarkl
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Posted 03/09/2016   7:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add matttodd1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Any chance this is a 500 -





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Posted 05/06/2016   11:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add themachine99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Matt, I have studied this issue for several years, and your stamp is most definitely a #500.

Congratulations!
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Posted 04/26/2017   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add blancahavila to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have this 3 stamps, can you help me to know the number and if are they valuable?





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Posted 04/26/2017   6:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlmstamps2012 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello blancahavila and to this forum.

I was happy when I saw this thread was revived, but think you should
start a new thread with your questions. If I could answer your questions, I would.

Your stamps are not the same design as a # 500.

I would suggest, you need to get a perf. reading on your stamps.
A scan rather than photo's will help for any proper identification.
There is a search tab at the top of your page. Many questions can be answered with it.

Also stampsmarter.com is an awesome tool! It can save a lot of time.

Learning about stamps can be very exiting. Good luck.
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