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Posted 06/17/2009   11:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Katchem_ash to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello all, I'm a world collector of stamps, got more 10,000+ stamps from all over the world, my goal usually is to collect a 100 of each country there ever was and is.

However, I'm stumped here since I've got no info on these stamps. I've borrowed the 2009 Scotts Catalogue and I didn't find these, maybe I missed them?, so if you could help, I'd appriciate it!

1) The first of is this set, one is for 15 cent and another is for 75 cents. The 15 one, sorry for not a clear picture has "DIENSTMARK" overprinted on it.




2) The next one I believe is some sort of East European or Russian stamp, but I'm not sure



3) This one has the same "DIENST" as the first thing (except for the "MARK")



4) think this is Italian, but I'm not sure



5) I have a number of OFF. SAK stamps, I'd realy like to know what country this is



6) Seems like another Italian but I'm not sure



7) My guess is that this is serbia. Correct?



8) No clue what this is:



9) My guess is that this is italian right?



10)No Idea, might be german?



11) No clue again



12) I think this is transvasal, but I can't make it out. I know the cancel is Johnnesburg right?



13) I think this might be an Indian or Pakistani stamp from the partision era.



14) Now these, I know they have listen "Washington DC" on the bottom and "National Wildlife Federation". Clockwise the dates are Sparrow: 1948, Veery: 1958, Oriole: 1959 and TANAGER: 1960 but these are not listed in the scotts catalogue or I missed them



15) I would think this is from the balkans somewhere but can't place it.



16)I don't know, but it says "KNIGHT" but the rest is not very clear.



17) Another East European prehaps?



18) These I know are Asian, but I can't find it in either Korea's. Any ideas?



19) No clue what this is except for it somewhere in 1988



20) Never heard of this park, any clues?



21)Maybe another german state?



I know this is alot, but thank you for helping me!
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Posted 06/18/2009   01:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1 Saar - Both overprinted for newspaper postage
2 Ukraine
3 Wurttemburg - Newspaper stamp
4 Italy - Revenue stamp
5 Norway
6 Spain - Telegraph Stamp
7 Yugoslavia
8 Spain - Revenue stamp
9 Spain - Revenue stamp
10 Some kind of local post
11 Germany - Russian Zone
12 Transvaal
13 Hyderabad - Indian Native State
14 These are not stamps, but seals for the National Wildlife Foundation - they wouldn't be listed in Scott's
15 Yugoslavia
16 Some kind of seal - not a stamp
17 USSR, but it isn't a stamp -- it's an information label that was attached to a stamp, subject is Rembrandt
18 North Korea
19 Another information label, not a stamp -- from Czechoslovakia
20 Ditto
21 Wurttemburg

Whew!
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Posted 06/18/2009   01:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1) Saar, now part of Germany along its French border
A) Scott's O4 an offical stamp for government use only.
B) Scott's O24 the same
2) You're close, Ukraine 1918, Scott's 62 or 67, 67 has writing on the back.
3&4) I've seen can't place right now.
5) Norway, 1959 offical Scott's O69
6) Spain, War tax stamp used during it's war with the US. Scott's MR27
7) Close!, Technically the Land of Serbs, Croats & Slovene, Listed Yugoslovia Scott's 7 1921 the use of Jugoslovia began in 1933
8) Latin american for sure, further research needed
9) Italian likely more research needed
10) Is what is says Wuhu a Chinese treaty port local post, a keeper. not listed in Scott
11) Eastern Saxony under Soviet occupation 1945, now in Germany
12) You're correct

There's a start, got to get some sleep!
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Posted 06/18/2009   07:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Katchem_ash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your help guys! I have a few questions though.

8 & 9 WpgLer listed these are either Spain for both and warrehouse as Latin America and Italian. If you could be so kind as to tell me what it is I'd be grateful :)

10) Wuhu? I'm glad I have a stamp thats a keeper but who issued it? I think it can't be China that issued it as its in cents. Wikipedia lists it as a treaty port but doesn't give any information on who owned it.


Quote:
Wu-hu, in Ngan-hwei, Che-fu Convention, 1876; opened 1 April 1877; Chinese population, 123,00
is the only information I could find.

14) Are you sure they are seals? Because I didn't get them from North America, I got it in the late 90's as a block of them back home in Pakistan. How could they have travelled that far?

16) I'm not sure where I got this stamp/seal from but are you sure its a seal?

18) These aren't listed as North Koreans in the Scotts Catalogue or am I just overlooking them?

20) Could you provide information on where this label came from? What stamp and such?

Thanks for all your help!
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Posted 06/18/2009   08:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZhangCheng to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Katchem_ash,Warrehouse is quite correct,here is my follow-up report:the (10) of your list,it was issued by Wuhu Local Post in Qing Dynasty of China.In 1876, Wuhu City was treaty port.On July 1,1894,the British A.K.Grayson set up the Wuhu Local Post,and issued these on nov.26.

Here is the picture of the whole set come from others's:



By the way,how to understand well for "keeper"?
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Edited by ZhangCheng - 06/18/2009 09:05 am
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Posted 06/18/2009   09:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Katchem_ash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks ZhangCheng! So if I understood it correctly, that the Wu-Hu stamp I have is a treaty port that wasn't owned by any of the great powers (ala Great Britan, Germany etc) but put out stamps for useage.

So where would I classify them as? Chinese? If so would there be a scott listing for them?


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By the way,how to understand well for "keeper"?


I don't know if you were directing this to me, but I guess a Keeper would be one that is good enough to keep and at least shows what it is.

Btw, how much does the rest of the set go for? Common or not? If it is common I might try to find stores around here that might have them so I can at least buy the set :)

Also, I have a request, and I know that your interest are Chinese, but do you have any idea on 18? I can't find it in the scotts catalouge, can you make it clear if they are north korean or not?

Thanks alot for your help!
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Posted 06/18/2009   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In reference to WuHu and China. Most stamps of China have been gaining in value, especially pre-1949, since the economic situations in China have allowed the Chinesse people the opportunity to become collectors as they now have greater discretionary income. I believe the ZhangCheng would concure.

The 'keeper' term is a English/American orginally refering to fishing, if the fish is too small you toss it back, but if it looks good it's a 'keeper'.
I personally feel the Chinesse stamps in that era pre-1949 are interesting both philitelically and historically and that's why I'd call it a 'keeper'

Mike
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Posted 06/18/2009   10:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Katchem_ash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



I checked the site, especially the North Korea ones, but am unable to find them in the 1975 area. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?
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Posted 06/18/2009   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZhangCheng to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are welcome,Katchem_ash ,it is a learning for me too,glad to see your collection.

Thanks for your explanation about the ¡°keeper¡±,but I still can not understand the explanation well via my broken English,does it related to the stamp?If not,I will just let it go,anyway,thanks.

According to the issuer it is sorted and named ¡°¿ÍÓÊ¡± in China, translate into English Language is ¡°Local Post¡± by my dictionary.As you known at the latter half of the 19th century,the powers violate China's sovereignty,and set up Post lawlessly.The powers entered Wuhu, one after another to occupy the site¡­the Wuhu Local Post was set up by Britain alien population A.K.Grayson,the support from the powers.

The price of the whole set that show in the picture I have quoted,was CNY 420.00 few years ago.

The (18) is North Korea as WpgLwr said.I will seek the details about them and post here.

Have to go to sleep.
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Posted 06/18/2009   11:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZhangCheng to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
In reference to WuHu and China. Most stamps of China have been gaining in value, especially pre-1949, since the economic situations in China have allowed the Chinesse people the opportunity to become collectors as they now have greater discretionary income. I believe the ZhangCheng would concure.

The 'keeper' term is a English/American orginally refering to fishing, if the fish is too small you toss it back, but if it looks good it's a 'keeper'.
I personally feel the Chinesse stamps in that era pre-1949 are interesting both philitelically and historically and that's why I'd call it a 'keeper'

Mike

Thanks Warrehouse,now I understood,the keeper = It can be collected,right?

I concur your viewpoint,the good economy is an important factor to facilitate the collection and market.
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Posted 06/18/2009   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Triggersmob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I checked the site, especially the North Korea ones, but am unable to find them in the 1975 area. Maybe I'm doing it wrong?


Don't know whats happened there. When I posted the link yesterday, it took you straight to North Korea 1975, now it takes you to the main page. When I checked yesterday, both of your stamps were listed there, with pics, now they are gone. Very strange.

Steve
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Posted 06/19/2009   12:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Follow up.
3) Is from Wurttemberg a German state, as wpglwr stated. it is also an official stamp for the communal authorities (ie, rural, villages, small towns) it is O15 used from 1906-21.
4) It is Italian, Marca da bollo, is a fiscal stamp also called a revenue.
I have no Italian revenue catalogue to help further.
8) Why I believe this may have Latin American vs Spain, the dominate use of the eagle, which is lacking tradition in Spanish stamps, However, the peseta was the basic unit of currency in Spain at that time and is now replaced with the Euro.
9) Is from France at second glance probably need Yvert Catalog to find it!
13) Close, Is the Indian state of Hyderabad, as wpglwr stated, Scott #40 the Seal of Nizam,
14) As wpglwr stated.
15) Is from the Kingdom of Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia, ie Yugoslavia it does not appear in Scott's
16) Knights of 'something, can't read it' a Cinderella non-postal.
17) It appears to be a Soviet era commemorative stamp, non-postal.
18) North Korea, I have no details.
19) Praga'88 was a International Stamp Expo held in Prague the capital of the Czech Rep.
20) A non postal commeroative stamp issued for the 20 anniversary of the establishment of the park January 1, 1949 while part of Czechoslovakia, now part of Slovakia. The Park is also known as Tatra National Park.
21) Wurttemberg Scott #60

There you are!
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Posted 06/19/2009   01:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Numbers 19 and 20 come from the Gutters of stamp sheets as a way of promoting/advertising, a practice used worldwide by many countries.
You often see 'gutter' pairs with these central gutters being used for such occasions.
Hence, one can collect ordinary gutter pairs where the gutter is plain, or where the gutter has some kind of inscription/advertisement.

Londonbus1......Doesn't like being in the gutter !!
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Posted 06/19/2009   01:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Examples of 'Gutters' to show what I am rambling on about !



The above sheet has flowers in the central Gutter.
The sheet below shows plain gutters between the stamps [albeit a Cinderella]



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Posted 06/19/2009   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Katchem_ash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everybody!

I found the North Korean stamps in the Scott's Catalogue. So thats done.

londonbus1/warrhouse, could you tell me what stamps these gutters belonged to? Is it easy to identify or not?

And for the Cinderalla's is there anyway to find out where they came from? The same with my 4 bird stamps?

Edit:

Regarding the Wu-hu stamp, I placed it seperate from the China section because I don't think these are China's stamp. What are your opinions about it?
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Edited by Katchem_ash - 06/19/2009 12:04 pm
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