Is This 17 Or 18 Points, Need Your Eyes And Help.

I see 18 but I think I'm seeing what I want to see LOL,I have this on the wrong forum(Modern) so I moved it here,I don't see dollar signs or anything,I 100% know it could be fake but I see 18 points X 14 points.

ya 18X14 good day

You can do this much easier.
Count the columns on the grill:
14 columns = "E" Grill
15 columns = "D" Grill (2c #84, or 3c #85)
less than 14 columns = "F" Grill

Yours has 14 columns-- it is an "E" Grill.

Hope this helps, Ray

Hi,I was thinking Z Grill Ray ?

Points are vertical, not horizontal.
It's an E Grill.

If you really think it's a Z Grill, then you should have it certified.
Good luck! Ray

Z grill

https://siegelauctions.com/enc/zgrill.htm

Hi,I keep getting 18,that's why I posted to see how you guys counted,I would love to have a older fake Z Grill for a showpeice,I know it has no chance to be real but I can't find a 17 point E grill so it must be Z.

Huffy,
At best you are asking if you should spend money on getting a cert. In other words if someone said, 'yes it looks like it might be a rare stamp' the only logical next step is to spend money on getting a certification.

Folks are trying to help you save your money, it is not a Z grill. But if you feel otherwise, especially since you are the only one who has the stamp in hand, then just move on and spend money on a certification. Please be sure to let us know what the cert says after you get it back.
Don

if someone was trying to fake a Z grill they failed. See ray.macs reponse.

Hi,I know people here are just trying to help out,one more question if it's OK,I asked this a while ago but nobody really answered,all the discussion about Z Grills seems to center on the 18 point being absolute but the picture of the 10 cent Z Grill on the Siegel Cencus page shows a picture of a 17 point Z Grill,whats the deal with this ? This would mean a 17 point down Z Grill is possible wouldn't it ?

A Z grill MUST have horizontal ridges, all other grills have vertical ridges.

Here is a good site for grill identification.

http://www.jamesdire.net/grill.html

We just had this discussion a month ago, and I asked specifically about the 17 vs 18 rows. Huffy, you started that thread also.
https://goscf.com/t/52069

Hi,sorry didn't see that thread,haven't been here for a bit.

I'm going back to your OP. I too count 14 columns across. However, your vertical count of rows is not correct. It is neither 18 nor 17, it is actually 16 despite appearances to the contrary. Hear me out.

Just when you thought it couldn't get more complicated along come the half points. The top row and the bottom row are not full points. They are half points, which appear to be oriented horizontally because of the way the points were cut short when the grill points were ground. These half points are a common characteristic of E-grills, and tend to cause beginners to think that the grill is oriented horizontally and therefore a Z-grill. But E-grills will often show a row of half point horizontal dashes at either top or bottom, and in some cases both (as they do here). They are of interest to specialists, but for the general collector they are usually markers of something that got away - an E-grill, not a Z-grill.