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Why I Will Be Closing My Ebay Store

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Posted 01/28/2010   02:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add modern_who to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Since 2003, I have had three ebay stores.

I closed the first one within months because I didn't have time to create enough listings to justify the subscription costs.

Maybe a year later, I gave it another shot as 'Modern-Vue Stamps & Collectibles' and was selling stamps as well as books and other collectible things from among my father's stuff. It was working pretty well but then ebay decided to change the rules (they're always changing the rules just when you think you have things figured out). They upped the listing fees (there were photo fees at the time too) and openly stated that they were making selling through stores more expensive because they were trying to cut down on the amount of store inventory on the site to take ebay back toward what it originally was, an auction site. ( ebay seems to have an identity problem in that it tries to be both an auction site and compete with Amazon which doesn't do auctions but moves a lot of merchandise, both on it's own and through other sellers).

I guess wanting to compete with Amazon, once more, brought the listing fees for stores down again, so I gave them another go as the original 'Modern-Vue Stamps' and found it worthwhile if only to be always visible even if I didn't have auction items listed.

Currently a basic ebay store costs $15.95 per month plus 3 cents per listing every thirty days plus 12% of sales made. ebay also makes even more money from sellers through PayPal fees, since they own PayPal. PayPal is almost a requirement for selling on ebay, especially now that you can't ask for other forms of payment such as cash, check, or money order. (There were some sellers that simply refused to take PayPal but were probably only hurting themselves since some people would not bid if they didn't have PayPal's 'buyer protection' backing them.)

I generally try to keep 400 items listed, which at 3 cents per item per month means about $12 in listing fees, not counting any auctions I might run. Listing more items would be good, but I don't have the time and it gets tedious, though my newest computer makes listing somewhat faster.

Now, however, ebay is changing the rules again, and beginning at the end of March, you can have an ebay store but store inventory will be converted into buy-it-now (BIN) items that will show up along auction listings rather than separately as they now do.

However, with a basic store, BIN inventory items will cost 20 cents to list every 30 days, or in my case, $80 rather than $12. And for low cost items, most probably from $1 to $4.95 that just isn't going to work (I also notice buying has fallen off as the economy has weakened).

In their email to me, ebay suggested that I move up to the next store level, a premium store, which costs $49.95 per month in order to be able to enjoy 5 cent listing fees. For 400 items, that would come to $20 in listing fees and with the subscription, $69.95 per month for what has now been costing me $27.95 monthly.

To maintain the current 3 cent per item listing fee would mean going with an anchor store for $299.95 per month!

Of course, in structuring fees to enhance corporate profits, ebay doesn't have sellers of a few inexpensive stamps in mind but people who sell all kinds of general merchandise through their stores, items that sell for more than a few dollars. Last time they raised their rates, a lot of stamp sellers dropped away (as I did) and I predict many more will do the same this time, probably going to BidStart/StampWants the next best place for selling stamps online.

StampWants promotes their business heavily among stamp collectors. Open a copy of the American Philatelist, for example, any you'll find them right there, such as this month with a full page ad on the inside front cover (pricey advertising space).

ebay will probably remain the place for selling large lots, right now, but as smaller store dealers move off to BidStart/StampWants and elsewhere, collectors looking for specific items will be moving to BidStart/StampWants and elsewhere, with them, since the ebay listings for lower priced individual items probably won't be there.

As for BidStart/StampWants fees, a small seller can open a basic store for only $3.95 per month with no listing fees for items selling for less than $10, and with lower final value fees, as well.

I opened a store on StampWants some months ago. Of course with far lower fees there is far more competition but while BidStart/StampWants may not move as many items as my ebay store, collectors do buy there and as long as they have the money to spend, will probably buy there even more as ebay scatters its smaller stamp sellers off to the competition.

As for auction items, I will continue to list them on ebay, first, for now.

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Edited by modern_who - 01/28/2010 02:54 am

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Posted 01/28/2010   02:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
finally someone took a liking to poor spock and explained what is going on

thanks Larry
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Posted 01/28/2010   04:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ok I am finally listed on bidstart. lets see how it goes.
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Posted 01/28/2010   06:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
oh I like it no sales so far but I am developing my store already the graphics are pretty neat and it only costs 2 cents to list. ebay is a riop off
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Posted 01/28/2010   09:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampdog to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice site. I just registered and will take a look around. Thanks.
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Posted 01/28/2010   11:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As I alluded in another post, as a buyer, I do think it is appropriate that we as collectors support sites that support the hobby.

I don't mean I'd never buy from ebay, because most buyers go where they find the merchandise. But in those situations where we have a choice, we should think of what's best for the long term. None of this is new, I guess. It's the same old story about buying from a dealer in your hometown. You might spend an extra dollar of two (compared to ebay), but the relationship you forge will be good for the buyer, the seller, and the hobby as a whole.

Anyhoo, thanks for your insight.

KirkS
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Posted 01/28/2010   2:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add laswabbie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I posted the little blurb from StampWants yesterday. They outlined the new fees much as you've shown us in detail today. I always shop StampWants first, then will go to ebay only if I can't find what I want.

I'll be looking for you on SW Larry!
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Posted 01/28/2010   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good on ya Spock you do brighten my day

with you Larry and with what you say about the small sellers,I can see them moving to other venues more than likely,they may even swell the ranks of Bidstart and that would be good for a buyer like me and I really do prefer Bidstart.



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Edited by nuggethill - 01/28/2010 3:47 pm
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Posted 01/28/2010   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add litphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice write up on ebay store pricing, Modern_who. I was considering opening ebay store, but now I will consider other options.
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Posted 01/28/2010   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Glad you you found it helpful, litphil. If you asked me a few days ago I would have recommended it. How quickly things can change.
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Posted 01/30/2010   12:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
but Harry that is a laugh not a smile :)
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Posted 01/30/2010   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Spock ..... ..... How's that

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Posted 01/30/2010   5:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Harry...nice green smile.

Is your avatar a CTO ?

Londonbus1...the nosey.
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Posted 01/31/2010   03:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add modern_who to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I went ahead and did it, I closed my ebay store yesterday afternoon since
there would be no sense in putting more time into it between now and the end
of March. Instead, I began going over the listings in my StampWants store that
were imported from ebay (a very nice feature StampWants had stared only a few
months ago that automatically pulled new ebay store listings into your StampWants
store each Sunday) to make corrections in shipping that StampWants could not pick
up for some items, and to price my items competitively in a different venue.

I have been reviewing the bulk uploading feature StampWants offers and it certainly
looks capable of the listing of a lot of material much more easily by just typing information
into specific fields on a spread sheet.

ebay's Turbo Lister really wasn't that much faster or easier than listing online
and in some ways might have even been slower. The 'turbo' part was how fast it got
everything on to ebay after hours and hours of work offline. StampWants spread sheet
system looks as if it will be much faster to use as long as listings are simple and
the headline serves as the description.
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Posted 01/31/2010   08:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kirks to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Modern

I'm not likely to have a store front in either place, but I have found this discussion thread to be interesting because as a occasional 'buyer' it gives me insight into how sellers fare on the different sights.

I used to buy stamps on Yahoo Auctions -- I preferred it to ebay because I was a newbie and it didn't seem quite as 'hardcore' as ebay. When I bid/bought, I usually got an email from the seller with "thanks, your total is..." More of a personal touch, I guess.

Anyway, thanks for your insight.

Kirk
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Posted 02/01/2010   03:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
okay now I am curious how do you import listing from ebay into your store?
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