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Posted 02/06/2010   08:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hawaii Pineapple Post


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Posted 02/06/2010   09:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Hawaii Pineapple Post


This is neither a 'Stamp Issuing entity' or a local post !
Just a sticker placed on the back of dealers mailings for fun.

There are hundreds, nay probably thousands of labels like this.

Purely a fun Cinderella.

But what about these Stamp Issuing entities......
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Posted 02/06/2010   09:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The postmaster has been instructed to not act upon any mail that has
Hutt river stamps on the front cover.They must be on the reverse


I think the same can be said of most Local posts worldwide. Sometimes you will see a local on the opposite front corner to the 'onward' postage stamps.

But what about Stamp Issuing entities like in the original post.
What areas are we talking about?

Ironhelm...we need you !
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Posted 02/06/2010   10:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ironhelm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was talking about any entity other than a recognized country that issues stamps to send mail like the SMOM. Entities that us in the US might not know about because Scott does not include them in their catalogue or make supplements for them. I just leaned about the SMOM about 5 years ago. The Vatican is a good example also. I never really thought of the Vatican as "another entity" I always viewed them like a country along with the UN.
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Posted 02/06/2010   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I'm good at picking low hanging fruit...I bet we all have at least one UN stamp somewhere. League of Nations, too, for the classic-era collectors? My LON are overprinted on Switzerland, so I'm less sure about whether they fit within the scope of this topic...

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Posted 02/06/2010   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The International Court of Justice in The Hague also has it's own stamps.
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Posted 02/06/2010   2:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The International Court of Justice in The Hague also has it's own stamps.


Good one. I can't immediately put my hands on a short set I bought a while back, so I borrowed these scans...a little small, but enough to convey the idea.





[edit: On further reflection, these are sort of a hybrid, as they seem to be issued by the Netherlands, but for exclusive use of the court. We'll have to ask for a ruling on these...]
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Posted 02/06/2010   3:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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We'll have to ask for a ruling on these...]


A Court Ruling ???

I would say no !

Anyone else?
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Posted 02/06/2010   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, they are issued by the Netherlands for the exclusive use in the Hague and not available to the public. The issue is that legally the ICG is an independent entity and not subject to Dutch law. Just as the UN is not subject to US law. So, are they an Official a Local or Independent. The Hague also uses their own Meters with no mention of the Netherlands. I'll have to dig one out(I have a few).
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Posted 02/06/2010   3:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The International Court of Justice in The Hague also has it's own stamps.



They do !
But so do other such places within places.
I am a bit confused now as to what the title of this topic is meant to be.

Actual places that issue stamps one can use on mail to another country ? Or stamps that can only be used locally ? Or none of those?

Londonbus1
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Posted 02/06/2010   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Grrrrrrrr!!
So far we have seen 4 examples of stamps.

Order of Malta...Stamps can be sent to 55 other countries but only from one post box in the world.

Hutt River province.....not recognised by AP and letters bearing a Hutt River province issue will be forwarded if it is on the back of an envelope ONLY !

Hawai'i Pineapple Post....A sticker made by some good-natured Honolulu Stamp Dealer for fun only to seal outgoing mail.

The International Court of Justice......Only to be used by the Court. Other details cloudy.

What 'nation' is next ??

What a supremely mixed up thread this is !

Londonbus1......
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Posted 02/06/2010   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Londonbus, Pineapple Post is recognized as a local post and is found in various local post catalogs.
A Local post is used to deliver mail/parcels from a set location to the nearest an official government post office, then forwarded on with the additional correct government postage to it's final destination. So it can be argued that one's home is the site places their own made stamp on the mail, then takes it to the nearest PO to go through the normal mail system. This type could be considered a Collectors Post or an Artist Post, the difference depends on the persons motivation to create a stamp, Philitelic or for the Art.

Then there are Post like Rattlesnake Island, OH or Kaulbach Island, NS, which rans postal services to the mainland since there was no local government PO service avalible.

Others posts were set up to handle the mails during postal strikes, natural disaters and civil unrest. Some of these are recognized while others are not. But all in all it's still adds alot of fun to the hobby.
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Posted 02/06/2010   5:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Alot of what has been discussed on this thread have been commonly considered official issues. Like The League of Nations, International Court of Justice which in a sense become legalized local posts. Then expand that idea to other official stamps creating a local post with the existing postal system.
Then various nations like the USA, Argentina to name a few
created separate department official issues creating even more local posts within that postal system.
Then there are the Franchise issues, government sanctioned local posts that paid a government fee for that right, see Portugal for an example.
Then there is the Military stamps which really should be no different the any other official mentioned above, But they are listed separately in the catalogs.
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Posted 02/06/2010   5:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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What 'nation' is next ??

What a supremely mixed up thread this is !


I submit for your consideration a few more options...well two more, and one repeat, now with a stamp:





League of Nations? Listed with Switzerland, but probably in the same category as the Netherlands/court stamp above.

Czechoslovak Legion Post? Listed with Czechoslovakia, and maybe appropriately so, as a sort of expeditionary force. But an "expeditionary force" by circumstance, and not by design. Would they fit the topic?

What about the various Polish exile stamps? Some of them were absolutely valid for postage. Would a government in exile, based in England, count as an entity other than a country? There was certainly no shortage of General Gouvernement stamps being issued in the home country at the time.

There have to be other, obvious ones that haven't been mentioned yet...
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Edited by Cjd - 02/06/2010 5:34 pm
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Posted 02/06/2010   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Czechoslovak Legion Post is one that is totally legitimate orignially part of the Austo-Hungarian forces on the Russian front after the Russian surender became entangled in the Russian Cival War battling the Red's & Greens. The eventually were cut off by the Reds and headed east along the Trans-Siberian Railway to Vladivostok battling the Japanese when they arrived. It was on this journey along the Railway that this stamps were issued & used. Because of the vacuum left by the fall of Imperial Russia the Legion was the only local government for the many areas they stopped.
At some point I'll map this out, but other things first!
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Edited by warrehouse - 02/06/2010 5:57 pm
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