Other Stamp Issuing Entities

Rod222, thanks for showing that letter about Hutt River.
Makes me want to slap one of those stamps on a letter and see if I can get it post marked.

Steve

The Exile stamps is another interesting type of local post. Since is was only good were the formally legitimate government now in exile was based and with there associated military forces around the world. There are many others Tibet & Albania were remnants of the former exile governments issued stamps.
There is another class of exiles that were produced by Portugal when their former colonies were forceblily removed by another power India with Portugesse India and Indonesia with Timor, yet continue to create issues after those colonies were gone.

About the Czech Legion Post...the rationale I had for including them in this topic as an entity issuing stamps without a country is because of that history of how they came to be stamp issuers. They get listed in Czechoslovakia in the catalogue, which makes sense, but I think an argument could be made that they'd have a place in a collection of these entities. During their march eastward, I don't know how confident they would have been that they would ever get back to their home country.

When I started this topic my meaning was for stamps like the SMOM. Entities that were not a government and had no recognized border but issued stamps used to pay postage and recognized by other countries. I would consider the International Court of Justice an Official stamp of the Netherlands. By that I mean usable by government offices only.

For the ICJ to be an Official it would have to be a Department or part of he Dutch Government. It is neither it is it's own entity. It has an agreement with the Dutch Government but is not part of. By definitation a local is only valid from point A to point B or in a defined area. The ICJ stamps are valid internationally as are the SMOM.

ICJ stamps are valid worldwide only because of their association with the Netherlands as if they were a official branch of the Dutch government, since it is the Dutch postal authorities that run the ICJ postal service.

SMOM is valid only in 55 nations worldwide, by default ICJ has wider postal range.

Who approves and provides the budget for the ICJ? What happens if the Dutch Government cancels the agreement? If the Dutch Government provides the funding and the ICJ existence is dependent on the Dutch Government then as far as I concerned it is part of the Dutch Government. Its separation is purely political to give it the appearance of Independence.

I'll look it up in my stamp authority "The Scott Catalogue".

They have "Nederland" printed on the stamps and they are listed as "O's" in the catalogue. That makes them officials as far as I'm concerned. Besides it appears that the Netherlands issue the stamps for their use therefore they are not a stamp issuing entity.

The way this topic was going I thought I was going to make my 50th post with it.

The IJC is an arm of The U.N. and is financed by it's member nations. It's existence is not dependant on the Dutch Government. I did make a quick phone call to a friend of mine who has been to The ICJ as an Attorney. and is also a Philatelist. The ICJ Post is financed by the ICJ but run as part of the Netherlands Post.

Not only is the ICJ not dependent upon Dutch financing, but the Court itself is extraterritorial, just like the UN headquarters in New York (i.e., the ICJ is not considered to be territory of the Netherlands).

Scott lists the League of Nations under the official stamps of Switzerland, albeit numbered 2O1, 2O2, etc., probably under the theory that everything needs a home.

All this being said, if any particular collector decides that ICJ stamps do not fit their definition of their collection's parameters, then it is simplicity itself to define them away and not worry about them. That is the great thing about this hobby.

Collin




The night's a puppy...

>Rod222, thanks for showing that letter about Hutt River.
>Makes me want to slap one of those stamps on a letter and see if I can get >it post marked
You are welcome, you will get it postmarked in Hutt River, before it takes the 14Km trip to the Northampton PO.
Apologies for the Pineapple post, I took "issuing entities" as including locals.

I pulled out my stamp album to see if they were in Netherlands Officials and I have 7 of them. So I guess its set for me. That's where they will be placed. Didn't even know I had any. So I guess I do collect them.

This topics on fire. I guess that means it has 3 pages.

From the ICJ's website.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN). It was established in June 1945 by the Charter of the United Nations and began work in April 1946.

The International Court of Justice is composed of 15 judges elected to nine-year terms of office by the United Nations General Assembly and the Security Council.

The ICJ is part of the UN. The stamps are issued by the Netherlands to be used by an Official Department of the UN. In my opinion the Netherlands is the correct place to put these stamps.

At least I'm getting a fair amount of post from this topic.

Ironhelm,
Just been to Rod's thread about [mostly] former Issuing entities [authorities].

Are you talking here about 'entities' that still issue stamps TODAY for International use ?? Then we can narrow it down a little.

And let us make a list, it could be useful.

I think it would be great if we had even another thread outlining the different types of local posts....from the real to those not so real.

Then with the other threads about 'issuing entities' and 'Issuing authorities' we could have a full set of of the types of stamps used for postage internationally and locally.
Anything else would be Cinderellas.....OK maybe not !

Here is my local Post.......





I will call them 'Avocado post' as we grow Avocados by the million !
They will sit nicely besides the Pineapples...if I had any !

And where does the next one come in......Universal Mail [UK] ?????



[sorry about the scan.....better one later].

These are sold at Tourist shops in London and around the UK but ONLY for International use !!
Are they an 'entity' too ?????


Londonbus1......No need to answer all the questions at once !