Other Stamp Issuing Entities

Londonbus, Jason Island as you likely know is a private owned conservation bird sanctuary site in the NW corner of the Falklands Islands. The Jason Islands were owned by the late Leanard W. Hill, purchased in 1970 to use as a rookery. His sanctuary is the 'Birdland Zoo Gardens', located at Burton-on-the-Water in Gloucestershire, UK.
This one falls into the Charity Local Post. It had no service since the islands are uninhabited by people but the funds raise added in the maintence & related work needed for the two sanctuaries.

Londonbus1 - I was talking about entities that have issued stamps at anytime past or current. But stamps that were usable to pay for mailings. But were not recognized countries or governments.

Warrehouse -- I've never heard of Jason Islands, but I checked my atlas and now I know.

Every day, I get my money's worth here on SCF

KirkS

Ironhelm-

This was your topic, so can we get an update on where we stand, vis-a-vis this topic?

From your point of view, we know we've got SMOM...what else is fitting? Each time I mention "U.N." the silence is deafening, but it seems to fit within the definition.

Londonbus started a list...can you let us know where yours stands?

Enquiring minds want to know...

I think SMOM and the UN are like I was talking about. Those Israel Local Post I don't know what that is. Are they put out by the Israeli Government? The UK International Letter stamp is that put out by Great Britain? Local stamps if they are put out by the Local Government may be included if they can put them out without the National governments permission. Let's say New York City issued a stamp. If it could be used to pay the cost of mailings using the USPS it would qualify. I don't know if NYC would need USA approval to do that. Probably would if using the USPS. It would probably upset the postal union anyhow.

Cjd,

I think it was Rod that started a list on his 'Authorities' thread. I suggested it was too broad and should be split.
so back to Ironhelms' original thoughts.

As I understand it now ;

Entities that have issued stamps past or present.
Not necessarily listed in Stamp Catalogues but can be.
Not recognised by the UPU or UN ? [Confirm this one]
Stamps can be used for International mail.

Am I right so far ?

So let's start a list.

Cjd of course mentioned the UN. Must be Number 1 I guess !

UN
SMOM
British Military Administration in Palestine [Ottoman Empire]
British Civil Administration in Palestine [Ottoman Empire]
British Mandated Territory [Palestine]
Palestinian Authority
International Court of Justice
Universal Mail [UK]
Universal Mail [NZ]

...and more....... [Please add to list]




No. They are put out by a Londonbus
Like Stamperdudes, purely for fun.




And a superb place it is too. I was with my daughter in Bourton-on-the-Water a few years ago and we just loved the Birdland Zoo. The feeding of the Penguins was amazing. I will try and find a few pics.

Londonbus1.....Pic hunting.

I'm not sure about "Not recognised by the UPU or UN ? [Confirm this one]".

I don't know what the requirements of the UPU are.
If recognized by the UN then it would be a legitimate government so it would not qualify.

The difference I believe here is between "Authority Vs Entities".
All the aforementioned places, organizations and nations are "Entities".
While nations and organizations granted extra ordinary rights are "Authorities".
So all authorities are entities, but not all entities can be authorities.
There is about 200 worldwide authorities, while there is over 50,000 entities worldwide.

Food for thought!

It seems like a list is a long way off.
Too many ifs and buts, what is and what isn't.

Everyone is chipping in with their thoughts and ideas and it's great.

But now the list is smaller with Ironhelm stating if recognized by the UN then it would not qualify.

So we can take out the UN, all the Palestinian 'Authorities' except maybe the Military Admin.
We are left with;

SMOM
ICJ
Universal Mail {UK}
Universal Mail {NZ}

I guess the ICJ are also recognized by the UN.

So maybe we should go from there ?

Londonbus1

1] Entities that have issued stamps past or present.
2] Not necessarily listed in Stamp Catalogues but can be.
3] Not recognised by the UN.
4] Stamps can be used for International mail.
5] 'Entities' for this discussion I understand to mean those that are not, nor have ever been, a Nation,Country,State, Principality etc.

Number 5 I mentioned here because of the points raised by Warrehouse:




Should we add any more points to the list?

If I tried to boil it down, this is the one sentence that would describe where I thought we were headed. (Not where we have to be headed; where I thought we were headed.)

They put their name on a stamp, which stamp is recognized by at least two countries for the delivery of mail, but they don't have any actual territory (other than perhaps an extraterritorial headquarters or palace, or two).

Point 3, above, is a problem, because SMOM has permanent observer status at the UN, which is pretty much what Switzerland had for decades before joining.

Ironhelm should decide as it was this entity that started the whole discussion !! He said no UN recognition. So does observer status mean recognition ??
I guess it does.

I think Cjd's statement is what I had in mind.

The Palestinian Authority also has a UN permanent observer status and territory.
The same status as the Vatican City has at the UN.
The Republic of China (Taiwan) is not a member nor has an observer status at the UN, but is independent.
While Andorra, the Marshall Is., Micronesia & Palau are independent & UN members they are not reconginzed by the UPU.

I give up.
It's just not working.

Great discussion though.