Help Identify This Stamp Please & Stamp Colors

I just got my Scott catalogs and I tried finding this stamp. Could it be Serbia?

Also, I was reading through some threads on stamp colors. I was working on some Ireland stamps and noticed 2 identical stamps that appeared to me to be very different colors. The catalog only showed one color. Should I assume that one of the colors is a faded, altered or just strange color (whether by sunlight etc)?

Thanks

The stamp pictured is Montenegro J19.

Regarding the Irish stamp, please show a picture or provide a Scott number for both. Different shade/color is not always a changeling.

'dog-

I'm pretty sure its Montenegro, but I'm not with my catalogs right now to verify that.

Can you scan or photo the Irish varieties?

Collin

[edit: after seeing k's post, I'm really sure its Montenegro.]

Sorry, should have done that the first time. Maybe they are different years or something. I'm new to using the catalogs and have much to learn. Here are the 2 in question. One is more pink, and the other is definitely purple.

Not to insult your intelligence, but is it possible the stamp was printed in one color, then a year or two later re-issued in a different color. Check the footnotes. Glance ahead a year or two to see if the same sample image is listed with a second issue.

I'm the world's worst for missing important information in Scott footnotes.

Kirk

Thanks, As I said am new to using the catalog. Am learning a LOT!! Thanks for the tip. Will check that out. Am making a quick "cheat sheet" that I keep on my desk to try and identify certain stamps (especially european stamps). However, hadn't run into a Montenegro stamp until now. It's been added to the list.

Stampdog......


....#73 red violet.

....#114 red violet.

The difference is the watermark.......the first has an S in a circle.......the second has a large backwards e

Thanks, forgot about watermarks.

Any general comments on color?
* How broad a range of color variation does Scott use for one term like "Red Violet"? It seems that term was used for both Ireland stamps in this thread and cearly they have a big delta in color to where I would have used two different descriptions. I assume "red violet" isn't as specific as a PANTONE color.
* Are the color guide books helpful?
* I have assumed age/light/fading contribute to the challenge

For worldwide collections I often see minor variations of stamps in slightly different shades that were printed a couple years later. WHen the catalog value of both the major and minor are low I usually just put the major in my album and file the minor in a stockbook. Perhaps later I will have a back of book stock page for minor variations....vs. trying to have pages that support major and minor numbers (unless I was going really deep on a specific theme.

For Stanley Gibbons they suggest both are "claret"
with a footnote on the 1940-1968: "There is a wide range of shades and also variations in paper used in this issue."

You usually see this sort of thing happen on a design that has been in use for decades, because ink "recipes" change over time.

Likely at the time of first printing they mixed the ink "by the pound" from different ingredients wet and dry, but over time this was replaced by all liquids or some ingredients were superseded because of cost issues and the like, and substitutions made which resulted in a difference in the finished colour.

Welcome to shade collecting. I guarantee it will drive you crazy.

Try the KGV shades of stamps from Great Britain. They will drive you up the wall. There are a couple of rare shades valued in the thousands of pounds.

Hi Stampdog & All

You will also notice in the Scott's Catalogues, that for any given series of definitives, you will see a footnote after the first initial set (design type) to let you know that there are other numbers for that same design type later on. It also will give you a list of that same design that later had surcharges and / or overptints applied to them.

Hope this helps

Chimo

Bujutsu

Hi Stampdog & All

You will also notice in the Scott's Catalogues, that for any given series of definitives, you will see a footnote after the first initial set (design type) to let you know that there are other numbers for that same design type later on. It also will give you a list of that same design that later had surcharges and / or overptints applied to them.

Hope this helps

Chimo

Bujutsu

Hi Stampdog & All

You will also notice in the Scott's Catalogues, that for any given series of definitives, you will see a footnote after the first initial set (design type) to let you know that there are other numbers for that same design type later on. It also will give you a list of that same design that later had surcharges and / or overptints applied to them.

Hope this helps

Chimo

Bujutsu

I apologize for the multiple postings of the same message.

When I initially tried to post it, the page kept coming up blank and I thought that it was not accepting it. So, I tried a few times again.

Again, my apologies and I really do not like being a nuisance to others.

Chimo

Bujutsu