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Missing Which KGVI South Africa Revenues?

 
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Posted 02/21/2010   4:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cjd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello-

I just picked up the following KGVI South African revenues. Can someone fill me in on which denominations I'm missing?

Also, I'm more familiar (slightly) with the KGV issues, which aren't se-tenant pairs. As you can see, only the two highest values I'm showing are joined. I assume these are ideally collected as joined bilingual pairs like their postage cousins?

Any other information or trivia would be appreciated, too.

Thanks!

Collin









[edited slightly for clarity]
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Posted 02/21/2010   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can offer no info at all.
I know, I'm useless.
But I just wanted to say that these are very nice.
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Posted 02/21/2010   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

1946/52
perf 14
wmk springbok head
inscrib in eng and afrikaan alternatively throughout the sheet

Apart from the language errors in this set
you are missing the following from the basic set.
1s6d
3 shillings
15 shillings
Libra2
Libra5
Libra10
Libra25

then there are the opt dates '46 through '52
HTH

Lovely stamps you have there!

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Posted 02/21/2010   6:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! If I may have a followup...I wondered why Inkomste appears on at least two of the English stamps I have (2sh and 5sh). Is that the language error to which you refer?

Fabulous help.

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Posted 02/21/2010   6:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rod222

I should keep this to myself, but I just noticed the dates under George's neck on many of these, thanks to your note about dates. Pretty bad, considering I sort my small KGVs by date, and they're in approximately the same location.

Basically, I need to pick up Barefoot British Commonwealth.

Collin
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Posted 02/21/2010   11:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Collin, I am not sure I fully understand the explanation,
and I havn't studdied the stamps
So here is a copy
Acknowledgement: Brit Comm Revenues 1986 3rd edition
J.Barefoot and A Hall
ISBN 0 906845 35 1 Price 12 GBP 1986





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Posted 02/22/2010   12:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I read that catalogue entry a few times last night, and twice this morning. I'm sure it made sense to the author, knowing exactly what it was he was trying to say, but it doesn't come through to me...

The tiny year numbers immediately under George's neck match the information, so at least I know what I have, but I don't know why it happened. (The 2sh is [19]51 and the 5sh is [19]48.)

Thanks for posting the excerpt. Maybe some night I'll sit bolt upright in bed and have a moment...

Collin
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Posted 02/22/2010   12:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The catalog entry is trying to make 2 points:

1. The stamps alternate between English and Afrikaans. Whether the first stamp in the pane (top left stamp) starts off as the English stamp or the Afrikaans stamp, depends on the denomination. Some denominations started off with the English stamp, others started off with the Afrikaans stamp.

2. Each stamp was printed by 2 plates. One plate is the top inscription, portrait, and the side pillars. This plate will be identical for all denominations except for the ink color used and the language sequence, as described above in (1). In other words, there are 2 variations of this plate (English first, or Afrikaans first).

The other plate is for the bottom inscription, denomination, and the borders. This plate will be different for each denomination.

When the wrong sequence portrait plate is used, you get the language errors (i.e., English at top but Afrikaans below, or vice versa).

Hope my convoluted explanation makes sense!

k
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Posted 02/22/2010   1:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Some denominations started off with the English stamp, others started off with the Afrikaans stamp.


k-

That's what the catalogue says, too, now that I reread it after reading your statement. Yours made more sense to me than theirs, because for the life of me I couldn't find the "error" part of their first point. Now I see that it was merely explanatory.

Thanks for the translation.

Collin
[edited for a P.S. ...does anyone know if these are expected to be collected as bilingual pairs, or individually? Thanks.]
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Posted 02/22/2010   2:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't say for revenues, but for postage stamps, always try to collect in pairs whenever possible. If you compare the catalog values, you will see a noticeable difference in price between a pair and 2 singles.

The preferred format is horizontal pair. Vertical pairs are typically valued at 1/3.
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Posted 02/22/2010   7:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
The preferred format is horizontal pair.

Before I get myself into trouble again, there are some exceptions to this general rule. I'm not just saying that as a back door; there really are some exceptions.

For example, South Africa #107 in the Scott catalog. That is collected as a vertical pair.
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Posted 02/22/2010   8:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
For example, South Africa #107 in the Scott catalog. That is collected as a vertical pair.


Some, such as 98 and 99 (from 1943) are collected as vertical pairs, I assume because they are coils. #107 is rouletted between the vertical pair, and perfed around the edges.

So yes, one definitely has to read the catalogues.

Most of the KGVI revenues I see are singles and not pairs. Not that that means anything.

Hoping that someone has an opinion on revenues as bilingual pairs...
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Posted 02/22/2010   8:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add David Giles to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Collin:

Difficult to get those stamps in pairs. Most were used singlely.

Drool.... Drool, I'm working on that set right now.... you've a head start on me!

Drool... drool...

David
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Posted 02/22/2010   9:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
David-

Thanks for the confirmation that these can be unashamedly single. I was hoping this was the case.

I picked them up from a well-meaning collector who has sold several nice items to me. He sold them as KGVs, so I was pretty sure that his price estimates were actually guesstimates. I was guessing, too.

Collin
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