How Would You Tell The Difference Between 610 And 613?

A girl can dream!

Is there any way besides having it graded that you would be able to tell the difference between a 610 and 613?

I know I have the 610, but on the impossible off chance, it would be nice to know.

Thanks in advance!

Of course you can dream! In fact Congress is counting on it, as they prepare legislation to tax our dreams at $10 per dream, with a maximum of $30 per day/night. I hear they are working on an exemption for sleep-walkers.

Scott #613 is slightly taller than #610.

Scott #613 was a rotary press printing, and will typically measure 19.25mmx22.5mm.

Scott #610 was a flat press printing, and will typically measure 19.25mmx22.25mm.

There will be some variation, since this was printed during the time they still used "wet" paper. But in general, don't even bother consider getting it certified unless the stamp frame measures at least 22.5mm vertically.

k

I have one that just seems different from the others. I do not have a mm measuring device that I trust, but it is a smidge taller than the others.

The first is my suspicious 610. The second is the back. The scan does not show it, but the darker yellowish parts around the outside of the print(?) is shiny like it would be with gum on it.

The third is my definate 610.

I'm going to assume that you took the front scans at the same time, so we can do a direct overlay comparison -- which shows the stamps to be the same height (e.g., both #610). This type of comparison is only valid if both were scanned together. If you did not scan them simultaneously, then post a set of pics cropped from the SAME scan.

Hello Tonya......


All you need is a perf gauge like this to measure print areas.....under $3.50 and found easily on-line. If you have any trouble finding one, just check my listings.

I promise that I am not an idiot, but here is a scan where they are scanned together.

I own that exact gauge. I'm just challenged.

I take back all I said earlier about being an idiot and will attach that scan now.

Unfortunately, the stamps in the new scan are off-vertical. However, doing a simple shift as I did with your earlier scans seems to indicate that they are still the same height. Although small, the height difference between a genuine #613 and a #610 should be readily noticeable when placed side by side. And the height of the #613 must measure at least 22.5mm.

Finding a #613 is something many, many collectors dream about (myself included) but very few are found. There is a dealer/collector in Maine that has actively hunted for them for more than 45 years and has purchased and studied well over 1 million of these.........he has found exactly 4.

I still carefully check every one I get in hand.

The Canadian KGV Admiral stamps often come in both wet & dry printings, with a resulting slight change in width. I've taken a damaged stamp and cut off the bottom of it - this gives me something I can just lay over top of another stamp, and with a magnifying glass I can quickly see what I have. It's much easier than trying to measure each stamp. If you have a damaged black Harding, cut the side of it off and you can use that as a gauge for all the other ones (of course, it's best if you don't cut up a #613 ....).

Over the years, the number of these templates I use is gradually growing. I use them for various flat & rotary printings of old French & US stamps, dozens of Machins with their different value tablet settings, assorted precancels & overprints with slightly different widths, etc. I'll need to store these things in a stock book so I can find the one I want more quickly.

Ryan

Thank you all very much! I was hoping for that buy-me-a-new-house stamp in this collection, but I don't think that will happen.

I am so addicted now. I like these dream threads because I learn so much from them.

Tonya....


Keep dreaming and hunting.....I've found a few seriously nice items.....with time, patience and a little luck it really is possible that you might find something nice too.