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Can Anyone ID The Band And What It Means?

 
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Posted 07/14/2010   9:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bfranton to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I came across another cache of embossed envelopes and a good number have similar bands and marks on the band. Can anyone help me understand what they mean?

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Posted 07/14/2010   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have not seen one of those before but I think it helps ID the stationary by filling in a Scott #, watermark, die #, variety type, diameter size, & ? maybe envelope paper type. It looks to be manufactured by the C. L. Young company. I imagine someone with more knowledge will correct any errors I've made and fill in the blanks. Neat item.
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Posted 07/14/2010   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No = Scott #
Wmk = Watermark
Die = Die #
Var = Variety (if any)
Size = Envelope Size
Knf = Knife #
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Posted 07/14/2010   10:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks revstampman. I knew someone would clean up my attempt to answer the question.
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Posted 07/14/2010   11:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, thanks, but why, based on the other info, is it so difficult to give Scott #?
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Posted 07/14/2010   11:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The person who filled out the band simply did not know. These are very difficult to positively ID.
So Yes! It's hard to assign a Scott#
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Posted 07/15/2010   12:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
More serious collectors of postal stationary know the #'s of the more common types(which this is one of). They collect by Die and Knife. By the way it is Type U92 Scott # is #U422 (Looks like Die 1)
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Posted 07/15/2010   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you elaborate a little more on the collectors of Die and Knife... ; this may be a key to a lot of what I've got that I've no clue about. Thanks
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Posted 07/15/2010   10:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobgggg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Compliments of Ask Phil

Knife: 1: the cutting edge of the machine which cuts the envelope blank. 2: the size and shape of the die-cut papers from which the envelopes are folded.
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Posted 07/15/2010   11:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bfranton to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So is there a place to go for more information...
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Posted 07/15/2010   11:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ldhaber to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You might want to take a look at this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRMam9CKPIQ

Shows how a cover is made.
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