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Posted 07/20/2010   11:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add bfranton to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Please help define mint. I'm finding what I'd call mint stamps, and we all agree I don't know much yet... so, here's some examples of plate blocks, etc.

I will be trying to "share the wealth" soon. Do they have to be certified? When does it become necessary to do that?





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Posted 07/20/2010   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Please help define mint.

Oh man, I don't want to get into that again. I'll let the others respond to that.

But regarding certification, I see no need to get the stamps you showed certified. They are rather common, and the cost of certification would exceed their retail value. My opinion.
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Posted 07/20/2010   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Certify stamps when there may be a question regarding their authenticity, or if the stamp has a major premium (e.g., $1000+, but some people will certify lesser value stamps of $100+).

Total cost of certification is usually a MINIMUM $25 (cert. cost and also shipping/insurance/registration), and even higher depending on who does the certification.
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Posted 07/20/2010   12:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mint is never used and are not stained, torn, written on, smugged, gum partially missing or any other form of damage to the stamp.
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Posted 07/20/2010   12:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add laswabbie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a definition of "mint" provided by : http://www.1847usa.com/Default.htm


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Mint - a stamp in the same unused condition, including full gum, in which it came from the post office. "Mint" is casually, and incorrectly, used to include stamps with disturbed gum, with signs of previous hinging, and even with yellowed or toned stamps. It is often used as a synonym for "not cancelled" or "not used", although that is clearly not the literal meaning.

Mint Never Hinged (MNH) - MNH refers to the condition of having never had a hinge attached to the stamp. It implies that the gum is sound and intact and, in a sense, that the condition of the overall stamp is pristine. So much emphasis has been placed on the lack of gum disturbance from never having had a hinge attached to the stamp, that other factors such as bright fresh color is sometimes overlooked. There is no denying the fact that "MNH" can add value to an otherwise ordinary or even slightly sub-par stamp, but the first letter in MNH stands for mint, and we would argue that only stamps in pristine condition meet that standard.


Obviously, other people may view things differently. I like this definition, though.
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Posted 07/20/2010   12:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
poor K,

he remembers how the last episode went and poor emperor spock was almost dethroned
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Posted 07/20/2010   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
b,
I would consider those mint.
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Posted 07/20/2010   4:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I new Spock would pop in
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Posted 07/20/2010   4:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperdude to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I define "Mint" to mean the same condition as when the stamp was originally sold at the post office. I like the term "post office fresh".
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Posted 07/20/2010   8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cgrotha to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My rule of thumb is to carry them, valuewise, as Mint only when they have original gum, hinged or not, unless, of course, they were issued without gum. Another exception arises when the catalog is higher for used than Mint, in which case I go with something less then or equal to Mint.
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Posted 07/21/2010   02:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BC,

are you trying the stir the pot? last time you said something I almost got banned. Its funny how you say things and then people take it out on me :)
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Posted 07/21/2010   02:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, actually that part was kind of fun. Let's jump all over Spock1k again!

k
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Posted 07/21/2010   06:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rohumpy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So MH, (mint, hinged) should be something of an oxymoron. If it is hinged, then it no longer meets the definition of mint.
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Posted 07/21/2010   07:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One needs to be a bit realistic here. How many genuinely 'mint' - not regummed - hundred year-old high value stamps from just about anywhere are still out there? I don't know how Scott handles it, but Gibbons' approach, that their 'mint' prices for George V and earlier stamps (up to 1936) are for mint hinged, seems reasonable to me.

And if mint hinged is no longer to be 'mint', what are they to be called? We'd need something fairly snappy, given how many of the things are washing around in collections. (I speak as a collector for whom mint unhinged is almost always irrelevant.)
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Posted 07/21/2010   08:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
even the irrelevant mint collector is making a fine point. and for the love of god someone listen to rohumpy rather than K we dont want to go that route again. but just think about it that is all I am going to say.
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Posted 07/21/2010   08:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
if this goes any further, I may become unhinged..
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