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I Think Its A 1 Cent Washington 423d

 
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Posted 07/20/2010   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add gandd07 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone help me I.D. This stamp. Its a 1 cent green washington 10 holes in the top and 12 holes in the sides. I think its a 423d..
Im not joking I dont know much about stamps so I bought a book and looked at stamp sites it looks the same and has all the holes. can you help? Thanks By the way I have bought these from antique store they are on post cards three all together..

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Posted 07/20/2010   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
G'Day Gandd07 and welcome to the forum,
It looks like a Sc#424 green 1cent 10 perf to me,I know a #423 is a black $1.00 12 perf and a #424d is a green 1cent booklet stamp but I haven't herd of a green 1cent #423d.
Are you thinking of a green 1cent 11 perf (19X22-1/2mm) Sc#544
or are you thinking it's (19-1/2X22mm) Sc#545.
I know there a more educated people on this site so someone will chime in and let you know if I'm wrong.
regards Harry
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Posted 07/20/2010   5:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gandd07 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 423 d is also green. Im looking at this web site I hope I can post it to show you. Thanks..
http://siegelauctions.com/enc/census/423D.pdf
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Posted 07/20/2010   5:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gandd07 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I bought these In Portsmouth Ohio...
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Posted 07/20/2010   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
G'Day mate now If you count the perfs that's the teeth on the stamp from top to bottom you will see that they don't match the one in the link (thanks for that) so in my opinion you have a #424,but please check for your self.
regards Harry
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Posted 07/20/2010   5:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm a cover collector and I do like most cover though I must admit there not cheep if you collect pre 1870.
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Posted 07/20/2010   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ldhaber to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Gannd07 and welcome to this forum.

The Washington-Franklin series, of which your stamp is an example, is one of the most interesting series of stamps the US has issued. There is a lot of fun in these stamps.

The 1 Cent Washington was issued during the period running from 1912 to 1921. Being issued over this very long time period, this resulted in a large number of varieties which total around 25. These varieties have different watermarks, printing process and perforation.

Now, is it possible when you see that there are 10 perforation on the top and 12 on the sides that this lines up with the description of the 423D, which is perforated 11x12?

Unfortunately, that is not how we describe perforations. Perforations are measured over a 2 centimeter distance and the number of perforations over that distance is used as the perf number. Now, because this stamp is higher than it is wide, it is natural that there would be more perfs on the side than the top. But the rate of perfs over a given distance is what counts, not the number of perfs on a side. That is probably the same here.

Now, my guess is that your stamp is actually 11 perf, all round, But I could be wrong since I cannot measure it. Also, I am not sure what printing process was used here.

Lets go back to the entire series. These stamps (which look identical to the uninitiated) were issued in the billions. Back in 1912, 1 cent was money and you could send a letter for either 2 or 3 cents during the lifetime of this stamp.

423D: 41 used examples are known. The probability yours is a 423D is somewhat small. My best suggestion would be to take this stamp to a local stamp club (check the website of the APS http://www.stamps.org for a location) and ask for their help.

Alternatively, there are gauges, easily available that can measure the perfs and tell if these were flat or rotary press stamps.

Just my 2 cents.

-Larry

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Posted 07/20/2010   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
what is the cancellation date?
what is the watermark?
you got three of these all the same stamp?

if you did, it would be a miracle.. you would have found a vary rare stamp indeed.
if you are so sure.. then go get an appraisal.. as no one would ever touch it without one. and Scott would have to change their catalog to reflect the 3 new ones.

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Posted 07/20/2010   5:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gandd07 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They came from a old antique store were the post cards was sent from the same person.
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Posted 07/20/2010   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gandd07 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cancellation date is 1917
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Posted 07/20/2010   6:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nuggethill to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Then that could be a Sc#498

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Posted 07/20/2010   6:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ldhaber to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd put my money on 498. Issued March 1917 and 11 perf unwatermarked.

The rotary versions were all issued after the cancellation date here.
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Posted 07/20/2010   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you can give me the measurements of the printed
image of this stamp, I'll tell you what the perf
measurement is.

update

I dug one out of my collection,
which measured 18.5mm x22mm

That makes your particular stamp 10.8 x 10.9
or, in other words 11 all round.

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Edited by rod222 - 07/20/2010 9:14 pm
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Posted 07/20/2010   10:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gandd07 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
25mm horizonal and vertical 22 mm That is with the perf..
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Edited by gandd07 - 07/20/2010 10:35 pm
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Posted 07/20/2010   10:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Gandd07,
Sorry, the formula works <only> with the size of the printed image.
You have to measure the printed portion in mm
Most perf guages have a mm rule aboard.
If yours turns out to be anything other than
18.5mm x 22mm then let me know.

You can see by your stamp, a "line" perforator was employed,
and that could give any sized stamp if measured by the perfs
one end to the other.

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Posted 07/20/2010   10:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gandd07 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much...solved...Happy......
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