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Temporary Loss Of A Philatelic Resource

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Posted 08/13/2010   10:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add tomiseksj to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I just tried to research an item on the 1847USA.com website and found the following message posted there:


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1847usa.com has been notified that Amos Press, the owners of the Scott numbering system, wish us to discontinue the use of Scott numbers. I realize that many of you use this site on a daily basis and regret any inconvenience this may cause. I will decide what direction to take regarding reinstalling certain portions of the site as time goes by, particularly those stamps that are not bought and sold exclusively by Scott number. Thank you to all the people who have visited the site over the years and my apologies for any inconvenience this may cause.

Bob Allen, 1847usa.com

I wonder how many other philatelic websites may be similarly impacted?
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Posted 08/13/2010   10:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Donna Merkle to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why do they have to discontinue using the Scott numbers? Were the numbers not being used correctly?

Donna
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Posted 08/13/2010   10:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Katchem_ash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Probably because they didn't ask Amos to use them.
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Posted 08/13/2010   10:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Why do they have to discontinue using the Scott numbers? Were the numbers not being used correctly?


The Scott Numbering System is Copyrighted. With the Copyright owned by Amos Press. You can only use their numbers with permission. Or, for Non Commercial Purposes.
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Posted 08/13/2010   10:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Amos shooting themselves in the foot again.
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Posted 08/13/2010   10:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would suggest writing Amos Press and asking them to reconsider. If they receive enough of a response they just might reconsider.

cuserv@amospress.com
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Posted 08/13/2010   10:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Battlestamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just of out curiosity, is one allowed to have an online website that sells stamps and use Scott catalog numbers without having to ask for copyright permission? I'm just wondering how much fair use is allowed in these kinds of circumstances?
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Posted 08/13/2010   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Battlestamps. Using them to buy and sell stamps is allowed. I suspect Amos Advantage banned their use by this website because the website provides what they would think is a product similar to their own, for free.
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Posted 08/13/2010   11:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Amos is most likely going after him because they consider it an Online Catalog using their #'s.
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Posted 08/13/2010   11:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Amos shooting themselves in the foot again.


Right on.
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Posted 08/13/2010   11:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gaff to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ugggghhhh....

Just discovered this myself and came here to gripe!!

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Posted 08/14/2010   12:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add scb to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, luckily we still have the Wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/*/1847USA.com
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Posted 08/14/2010   01:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Plateflaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Encyclopaedia of British Empire Postage Stamps 1806-1948, Vol 2, The Empire in Africa, published by Robson Lowe Ltd in 1949, includes this statement:


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At the request of Mr Gordon R Harmer, the Editor of Scott Publications Inc. of West 47th Street, New York, the owners and publishers of Scott's Standard Postage and Stamp Catalogue, we have omitted all references to the "Scott" numbers of the stamps referred to in this volume of our Encyclopaedia and following volumes.
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Posted 08/14/2010   02:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 22crows to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Mystic U.S. Stamp Catalog doesn't seem to have a problem with using Scott numbers. Perhaps a fee is involved.
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Posted 08/14/2010   02:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ironhelm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why not put a dummy character in front. For regular stamps us R123 for airmail use AM112 etc.
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Posted 08/14/2010   03:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Why not put a dummy character in front. For regular stamps us R123 for airmail use AM112 etc.

That would still require a license because you are still basing your ID on the Scott numbering system.


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The Mystic U.S. Stamp Catalog doesn't seem to have a problem with using Scott numbers. Perhaps a fee is involved.

Yes, Mystic, Brookman, Unitrade, USPS, Black Book, StampManage... all pay a licensing fee to Amos.


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Just of out curiosity, is one allowed to have an online website that sells stamps and use Scott catalog numbers without having to ask for copyright permission? I'm just wondering how much fair use is allowed in these kinds of circumstances?

In the introduction, Scott gives conditions under which Scott numbers may be used. Two of the terms for which permission is granted are:


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b) Such use is incidental to the business of buying and selling stamps and is limited in scope and length, i.e., it does not cover a substantial portion of the total number of stamps issued by any country or of any special category of stamps of any country; and

c) Such material is not used as part of any catalogue, stamp album or computerized or other system based upon the Scott catalogue numbers, or in any updated valuations of stamps not offered for sale or purchase;


There are other conditions of course. Check your Scott catalog Table of Contents page. I only typed 2 terms to give you all a rough idea.

I can fully understand the need to protect intellectual property. I don't understand the need to shoot yourself in the foot in the process.
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