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Could You Tell Me, What's This Stamp?

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Posted 09/10/2010   02:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add lubos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
HI everyone, I found this stamp (I hope that it's a stamp) a long ago in my collection. But I have no idea, what it is. It might be some Nepal or old-Indian state. It would be great, if anyone had information about it.


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Posted 09/10/2010   04:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Londonbus1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like it might be an Indian State, Soruth or another.
My SoTW does not list all the stamps so cannot really help.

Soruth for example has many Gibbons numbers missing.

Tony might see this and answer in quick time !

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Posted 09/10/2010   06:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
it is very similar 1-A1 in scotts. for Soruth - under the heading of it's capital Junagarh date 1864

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Edited by stampvirgin - 09/10/2010 1:09 pm
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Posted 09/10/2010   06:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lubos, edit your first post and change the title in it to say Is this Indian State stamp? or something that would draw the attention of the India expert fellows.
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Posted 09/10/2010   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ID
Can we have a more in depth scan please ?
ID scans need appropriate clarity to get the job done.

It has a remote similarity to a Nepalese Pashupati seal
cancellation 1907-1949
these could be private in nature but were mainly employed
as a theft prevention vehicle, to tie the stamp to the cover.

This is not apparent in the shard you offer.



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Edited by rod222 - 09/10/2010 11:14 am
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Posted 09/10/2010   1:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lubos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I will rescan this stamp for you tomorrow.
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Posted 09/10/2010   7:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Plus the entire piece if possible,
we can get clues from all sorts of things.

There is some dubious script also top rhs corner.
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Edited by rod222 - 09/10/2010 7:04 pm
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Posted 09/10/2010   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
It has a remote similarity to a Nepalese Pashupati seal
cancellation 1907-1949
these could be private in nature but were mainly employed
as a theft prevention vehicle, to tie the stamp to the cover.


Where on earth do you find all this knowledge, you really need to hire yourself out as an encyclopedia. :)
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Posted 09/10/2010   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of the Indian States, but not a postage stamp. If I remember correctly (not guaranteed at my age), it's a fiscal from the State of Bhor - the source of my avatar.

One of your fellow countrymen, Lubos, is one the great experts in the Indian States fiscals. However, he isn't a member of SCF.
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Posted 09/10/2010   7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tony Vella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


India - State of Bhor - 1880
Revenues used on official receipts
Laid paper, 27x27 mm
Four issues:
2 a. black and lilac
4 a. black and rose
8 a. black and green
1 r. black and yellow

Hope this helps.
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Posted 09/10/2010   9:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bravo Tony.
I hadn't considered Forbin.

They have some nice Revenues of the Indian States
including Bhor (Bhore)
I'll have to spend some time looking around in there.

This is the first time I have seen a "Negative" revenue
I think.

Lubos' example looks like wove paper to me
anybody else think likewise?



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Edited by rod222 - 09/10/2010 9:36 pm
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Posted 09/10/2010   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tony Vella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod.
Forbin describes it as 'papier vergé' which is laid paper.
Wove paper would be 'papier vélin'.
Having said that, I have found errors in Forbin before so don't take it to the bank yet.
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Posted 09/10/2010   10:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Cheers,
I would bet Tony Macg's wallet that Lubos' stamp is
on wove paper. Just wondering if a forgery or
Forbin had it wrong.
We must be tolerant of Forbin, he didn't have all
the benefits of the ww web, and 100 years of history
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Posted 09/10/2010   10:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had a look at it under the screen magnifying glass, and I can't decide whether it's wove or laid.

It might be pertinent that the postage stamps, like my avatar, are on native paper, which often does have laid-like lines. Here is a full-size version of Bhor SG 1:



where the 'laid' lines are just visible.
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Posted 09/10/2010   11:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I'll take that on board, but Lubos' example
has a distinct "stipple effect" most recognisable
with wove, have a look at this for example.
(I'll remain open to suggestions however)

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Posted 09/11/2010   06:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lubos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Here is the rescan of this revenue stamp.



I must say that you're so amazing with all the knowledge. Could you tell me what's its value (price). Thank you very much.
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