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Posted 04/04/2024   10:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add smithereens to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello everyone. I'm new to postcard collecting but I am a long-time collector of other things. I like to be very organized with my collections and I track as much information about each item as I can. It's much easier to do detailed tracking if you start when your collection is small and I'd like to make sure I'm getting all the important info. So far, my postcard collection database includes:

- Front Image
- Back Image
- Country of Origin
- Year (may be an estimate if I can't find an exact year)
- Artist/Photographer (if known)
- Publisher (if known)
- Reference (a link or other reference info if I find the postcard in a library or museum collection, etc.)
- Receipt Scan or Purchase Screenshot (when buying online)
- Additional Notes
- Purchase Place
- Purchase Date
- Purchase Price

Additionally, I tag each item with keywords that relate to what the image on the postcard is about. For example, if it's an image of a train in Osaka from 1905, I might tag it with: "train, locomotive, osaka, meiji".

Things I'm considering tracking and could use some advice on:

- Postcard size (either exact measurements or categories. Are there postcard size categories?)
- Print method (I'm too inexperienced to know what to put in this field. There seem to be several "main" categories and then many sub-categories. I'm not sure what makes sense to include. For example, I know "linen" is a type of card... but I don't think that would qualify as a print method?

Given all of that, is there anything I'm missing? Any recommendations are appreciated.
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Posted 04/04/2024   10:50 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bear in mind that "country of origin" covers two things - publishing and printing. For example, before WWI, substantial numbers of GB-published postcards were printed in Germany.
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Posted 04/04/2024   11:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smithereens to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GeoffHa, that's a great tip. I'll split it into two fields. Thank you.
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Posted 04/04/2024   11:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is the collection for unused, or also used? If so, you're missing: mailing/cancelation date, destination (city, country, whatever), and postage amount.
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Posted 04/04/2024   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smithereens to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Both used and unused. If I'm tracking cancellation dates and destinations, would you also track cancellation location or cancellation type? For example, here's one I own that includes a pictorial cancellation.



In addition to the fields mentioned in my original post, would you include something like this?:

Cancellation Location: Kennedy Space Center, FL, USA
Cancellation Date: 1971-06-08
Cancellation Type(s): Machine, Pictorial
Destination: Wilmington, DE, USA
Postage Amount: $0.06
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Posted 04/04/2024   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love that Kennedy Center pictorial cancel, and it is great to have it on a matching card.

Yes, I would include Origin and Destination in the database, but instead of a text string "Wilmington, DE, USA", these should be separate database fields (City, State/Province, Country) for easier sorting and tabulation.

For US postcards, common postcard types (and eras) are:
Real Photo Post Card (RPPC) (1900-1920)
Undivided Back (<= 1907)
Divided back (1907-1915)
White Border (1915-1930)
Linen (1930-1944)
Chrome (1940+)
Continental (4"x6") (1960s-1970s+)

In addition to specific Keywords, you may want a separate and more general Category field for major groupings (City Views, Scenic, Roadside, Greetings From, People, Animals, Art, Space, Holiday, Cartoon, National Parks, Expos, etc.)

Have fun!


Edit: the "less than or equal" symbol got mangled so I had to change it to "<="
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From a pragmatic viewpoint, what information you define and collect in your data fields today should be a direct function of how you intend to make use of the information in the future.

Plus, you have to keep in mind that what you think your plans or intentions are today just might not be what you will want to do with this information in 1-2-10 years in the future.

Once your "database" has on the order of say, 1,000 entries, it is often difficult to force the self-discipline to go back and bring all the entries up to date when you finally decide that you want to add new fields that you thought about in the beginning, but discarded since you thought you would never have a use for that data.

Also, you can ask yourself "How much time am I willing to spend entering information for one postcard", then translate that into how many data fields, then select those that you think are the most likely ones you might want to use as a search/retrieval criteria.

If you start with too many fields, its a simple task to eliminate a few of the fields for future post cards (although selecting which fields to eliminate can be a painful decision process).

Another thing you might consider is how could someone else want to use your database should you offer to assist them with one of their own?

From your initial post, it sounds like you are not familiar with some of the standard terms (size, type of printing, etc.) Review the postcard collecting literature that is on the internet, or in guide books. Some of the data fields you mention have standard terminology that experienced collectors use. You should identify these and use the proper terminology, not your words to define the fields.

In the "database world" using a "controlled vocabulary" for the entries in some fields is a standard practice. For example, in a state field for a US post card, you would want to limit the entries to some standards like the USPS state abbreviations.

I always include a "comments" or "notes" field to include unusual characteristics. Perhaps you might want to record unusual or uncommon postal markings, even if your primary focus is unused cards. You can always include a simple note "Postage due" or "air mail" for that one in a thousand occurrence.

Don't be afraid to make mistakes. It's a rare exercise like this that does not encounter a revision in the design.


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As Yogi Berra is reported to observe:

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."


Good luck with this. It sounds like a lot of fun (and work)!

Mike
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Don't overlook postcard databases that may be available on the internet. Even if you don't use them you may be able to glean the types of data they include and include it in your own.
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Posted 04/04/2024   1:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smithereens to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the feedback so far, everyone!

Based on what you've said so far, this is what a page in the database looks like (I've covered a couple of items for privacy):



(Obviously "Kennedy Space Center" is not a city, but this is a bit of a special case.)

mml1942, you are correct that I'm just starting out and not fully versed on the standard terms. :) I'll definitely do more research into it. Having a shared vocabulary is essential in all types of collecting. It makes research easier and avoids confusion/misunderstandings.

Again, thank you all. This has already been very helpful.
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Here is an example of an unusual postage due or auxiliary marking like Mike had mentioned.

When you care enough to send a greeting postcard, but not enough to pay for the postage.




A database field you may want to add is one for Location or Album Number or Inventory Number.
When you have an RPPC of a black cat in front of a church that was mailed from Yellowstone National Park on July 4th, can you remember whether you filed it under cats, Halloween, churches, national parks, or Independence Day.

Also comes to mind, an important (?) cancellation type for postcards is RPO (or RMS) for Railway Post Office. A lot of travelers write postcards and mail them on trains or in train stations and these cancellations are popular among a group of collectors.
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Here is an example of an unusual postage due or auxiliary marking like Mike had mentioned.


Thanks very much for the example!


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A database field you may want to add is one for Location or Album Number or Inventory Number.


They do all have a unique identifier/inventory number (not shown in the screenshot). In my first version of this I had included a "Storage Location" field to be used with a box number (or however I end up storing them). But, I forgot to add that field back in when I started over from scratch. Thanks for pointing it out. :)


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Also comes to mind, an important (?) cancellation type for postcards is RPO (or RMS) for Railway Post Office.


The Cancellation Type field is a multi-select, drop-down menu when adding a new postcard. I've used the 'Types of cancellations' section on this Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancellation_(mail) to determine what options should be available for that field. So, RPO is already there. :)
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I would echo the general direction which mml takes ... what data fields do you really need to have for data sorting and retreival? What is the primary theme/topic for the collection? What is the end product of the collection? Fun? Exhibit? Publication?

There is almost no end to the parameters which could be measured, observed or recorded.(So let's add: Weight in millgrams under ASTM standard #xxx.) At some point it looks more like a data record for the Smithsonian than a personal hobby collection. Or in other words, the purpose seems to be the generation of the computer record more than actually enjoying the collection. Less may be better.

What would you do if you were suddenly given a box of 1000 cards?
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Posted 04/05/2024   09:52 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed. Back in the '80s, I developed an impressively complex, handwritten catalogue of my LPs and 45s. So complex, in fact, that adding and subtracting to it became a chore and I abandoned it. And a few years later, I had to sell my collection to pay bills, so it really did come to nothing. On the other hand, I spent happy hours putting it together. Hobbies are ways of wasting time - if you enjoy wasting your time in this way, that's good enough.
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I'm an archivist at heart. More years ago than I care to say, I earned a BA in History with every intention of continuing into an advanced degree program related to either archival studies generally or preservation/conservation specifically. Life took me another way... but I still manage to scratch that itch through my collections.

Many/most people probably find the data entry portion of collecting complete drudgery (if they do it at all). That's never been the case for me. Obviously there is a tipping point, even for a weirdo like me. For example, I don't *think* I'll be weighing my postcards. :)


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Hobbies are ways of wasting time - if you enjoy wasting your time in this way, that's good enough.


I'd argue that if you're enjoying yourself, it's not a waste of time. :) Plus... working with computers, programming, etc... were hobbies of mine until they became my career.
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I may be late to the party, but I have a few categories you may want to add.
Distributor - sometimes listed, different from publisher & printer
Printer - some printers appear in multiple countries, Dexter Press for one
Catalog Number - Dexter Press & Curt Teich are 2 printers that can have their postcards dated by catalog number; there may be more
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