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Help With A 1 Cent Franklin From The Philippines

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Posted Yesterday   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Murasama to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi, I need your help. I found this Franklin 1 cent stamp, which appears to be a Philippines cancellation (FELIPINAS?). Is it an overprint? A cancellation? I haven't found it in the Scott catalog…
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Posted Yesterday   5:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NicholasC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a cancel to me. I don't see anything related to Philippines. What am I missing?
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Posted Yesterday   5:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I deduce it from the Spanish "Filipinas"...
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Posted Yesterday   6:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Philatelius to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If the diagonal marking is an overprint, and if the stamp in your scan is (at it appears to be on my monitor) truly blue, it doesn't appear to be anything official of which I'm aware. The earliest US stamps Scott lists as overprinted for use in the Philippines include the First Bureau Issue's 1˘ Franklin in green, but not in blue.

From what I've read, unoverprinted US stamps were used for a short time in the Philippines prior to the introduction of the overprinted stamps. Regrettably, I'm not knowledgeable about Philippines postal markings, so I can't comment on whether what you're seeing could be a postal marking.
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Posted Yesterday   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sending you some microscope photos; it seems the violet is very diffuse and below the cancellation layer... that's my impression...


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Posted Yesterday   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZebraMan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is safe to say that life in the Philippines was quite chaotic in the mid to late 1890s, between The Philippine Revolution, The Spanish-American War, and The Philippine-American War.

Prior to the overprinted US stamps issued in June 1899, ordinary US stamps could be used at US Military Postal Stations, here is an example (via e-bay) from February 1899.


That said, the FELIPINAS marking could have also been applied on an incoming postcard or letter from mainland USA to the Philippines during Spanish administration, for example.
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Posted Yesterday   7:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"FELIPINAS" is an archaic Spanish term from the 15th century and was no longer used in the 16th century. The Spanish stamps themselves say FILIPINAS.
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Posted Yesterday   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NicholasC to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Aha, I couldn't see the diagonal overprint until now. I must have had my brightness turned down too low. My apologies.
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Posted Yesterday   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I thought it might be a philatelic fantasy (especially because of the E) but the postmark seems good and above all, so it seems that some administration validated it for a shipment despite the FELIPINAS violet mark.
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Posted Yesterday   7:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billyjosquire to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
awesome find.. I too had not noticed the Filipinos overprint until I read the entire post.
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Posted Yesterday   8:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This, sort of, shows the purple overprint in the OP's first post:


Using Postmark Reveal at: https://www.postmark-reveal.com/
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Posted Yesterday   8:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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awesome find..


Why?


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I thought it might be a philatelic fantasy (especially because of the E)


A "good" cancel on a used stamp has little bearing on the validity of other elements.
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Posted Yesterday   8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another angle....

There were *no* American Postal Machine Co 13-star flag cancelling machine installed in the Philippines before 1916, and most had slogans instead of stars.

Thus the odds are extremely strong that the 13-star machine postmark is the origin cancel in the U.S. and the magenta marking was applied upon receipt or even much later as a fantasy, of which I have no information or opinion, other than it would *not* be an overprint.

Nor would the flag cancel use on the stamp be consistent with typical backstamping practice on a cover from the Philippines to the U.S.

Bottom line ... it's often very hard to tease much postal history out of a soaked stamp, but it is important to look at every aspect.
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Posted Today  8 Hrs 48 Min ago  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"…was applied upon receipt or even much later as a fantasy.." But the purple mark is to be below the cancellation, not above it.
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But the purple mark is to be below the cancellation, not above it.

Call me a doubter, but I have a hard time believing that determination (or any sequence determination, really) with such a washed-out magenta marking. Also, the black lines of the flag cancel do not appear to obscure the magenta mark on the Postmark Reveal image as they should if the machine cancel were applied later. But I have no dog in this fight, so it will be interesting to see other observations.
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But the purple mark is to be below the cancellation, not above it.


If you keep insisting as you are by your comments that this is something of note, send it in for a certificate and report back. It is just a few dollars to end the tiring, pointless debate.
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