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Posted 03/28/2016   4:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add PostmasterGS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Today's mail brought me a copy of the Perfin catalog published by the Arbeitsgemeinschaft Lochungen e.V. im BDPh (Perfin Study Group of the German Stamp Society).

If anyone has any German perfins they'd like me to look-up, just post them here.
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Posted 03/28/2016   5:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thank you Postmaster.


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Rod,

For many of the perfins, there are several options. The same perfins were used by multiple companies in multiple locations, often at the same time. The cancel locations and dates may narrow some of these down a bit.


K&C -- This stamp was valid from March 1924 - 31 July 1930

Kohlstedt & Crone, Duisburger Buntweberei [textile color weaving company in Duisburg] (Duisburg, 1926-1929)
Krautheimer & Co. (Fürth, 1930-1943)
Knoll & Co. (Ludwigshafen, 1921-1927)
Unknown User (Wiesbaden, 1925-1927)
UNDY Werke GmbH (Frankfurt, 1932-1935) -- outside stamp period of use
Theodor Knipp & Co. (Offenbach, 1921-1924)

H&I -- 155 pages of H listings, but nothing that matches this one.

C&B -- Carl Blanke, Briefumschlagsfabrik [envelope manufacturer] (Wuppertal, 1893-1906)

St -- There are two almost identical versions of the "St" perfin. There's a very small difference in size of the perfin, measured from middle of the top hole to middle of the bottom hole.

9 1/4 mm & 8 1/4 mm high --
Publisher of "Agrar-Warte" (Dresden, 1920-1924)
W. Stolle & Co. Magazine Publishing Company (Freital, 1920-1927)

9 1/2 mm & 8 1/2 mm high --
Steel Industry (Bochum, 1920-1928)
Vereinigte Edelstahlwerke GmbH [United Steel Plants] (Dortmund, 1921-1925)
Deutsche Edelstahlwerke AG [German Steel Plant] (Krefeld, 1931-1933)

PA --
Deutsche Grammophon-AG (Berlin, 1934-1937)
Organon, Lehrplatten u. Filme (Berlin, 1928-1937)
Polyphonwerke AG (Berlin, 1931-1932)
Paul Albert, Webwarengroßhandel [Wholesale Trade Network] (Greiz, 1922-1927)
Panagiotis Avramikos, Zigaret.F [cigarettes] (Hamburg, 1922-1926)
Deutsche Kohlenhandelsges mbH (Leipzig, 1922)
Unknown user, (Meuselwitz, 1923-1927)
Phönix AG für Braunkohlenverwertung [coal company] (Mumsdorf, 1920-1935)
Phönix AG für Braunkohlenverwertung Grube Phöni [Phoenix mining] (Zeitz, 1920-1941)
Phönix AG, Deut. Kohlenhandels GmbH Leipzig (Zeitz, 1922)

M.C.
Mitteldeutsche Creditbank (Frankfurt, 1910-1934)

U
Der Propyläen-Verlag [The Propyläen Publishing Company] (Berlin, 1922-1936)
Verlag Ullstein, diverse Publikationen [Ullstein Publishing] (Berlin, 1921-1937)

hb – Nothing that matches this one.

T&C.
Unknown User (Düsseldorf, 1898-1903)
Thyssen & Cie., (Mu#776;lheim, 1893-1905)

FF
Farbenfabriken, vorm Friedr. Bayer & Co. [dye factory before Friedrich Bayer & Co] (Elberfeld, 1907-1923)
Farbenfabriken Bayer (Köln, 1905-1935)
Farbenfabriken Bayer (Leverkusen, 1909-1936)
Farbenfabriken, vorm Friedr. Bayer & Co. (Leverkusen, 1922)
Justus-Liebig-Gesellschaft [Justus-Liebig Society], (Leverkusen, 1929-1947)

M.H.C.
There's a M.H.C. listed that's close, but the number of holes doesn't match.
Mende & Hellge (Chemnitz, 1907-1919)

T.W.
Chemische Fabrik [chemical factory] "NASSOVIA", Berlin (Detmold, 1923)
Temmler-Werke, chem.Fabriken [chemical factory] (Detmold, 1921-1923)
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Quality Information, as we have become to expect from you, Postmaster.
Thank you very much.
2 points

1. I was never aware Perfins were duplicated, I thought every one was unique to each company.
2. The FF I would never have suspected, I was reading "TI" or a T with a German Cross.

If you need larger scans for your database or whatever, just "ahoy" and I'll email them to you.
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Posted 03/28/2016   11:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Some more (at your leisure).
If you download the scans, and toggle, you can see which perfin belongs to which issue.

Some duplicated from your original ID.
Looking forward to the Fancy design ID.




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Posted 03/29/2016   12:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
FYI

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Posted 03/29/2016   12:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tim H to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postmaster, sterling work on the perfins. Are you sure it's "hb"? Reverse the image and you get this, which looks like r l b


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Actually, now that I look at it closer, it appears to be a partial MB. Rod, if you've got easy access to the stamp or your original scan, is there any evidence of partial perforations that would complete an MB?

I've also ordered that catalog, Rod, but it hasn't arrived yet. It covers Austrian perfins on Germans stamps.
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Gentlemen, Thank you.

Yes Blind Punctures.......It is Indeed " MB"




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Posted 03/29/2016   11:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you PostmasterGS for all this information.

However, may I make a suggestion?

There is a discrepancy in a couple of descriptions. For example, rod22's example identified as "K&C" is not K&C but, is "K & / C"(or read as "K & over C"). Perfin collectors have to be aware of the exact 'pattern' they are examining because it could mean another user had that particular pattern. A real "K&C" would be all on one line. Another example would be the "PA" perfin, which is described correctly here. However, with perfin collectors, be sure it is w/o 'periods' because a PA perfin versus a "P.A." perfin could be an entirely different user.

Sorry if I sound fussy, but that is the nature of the perfin beast It is important to note if there are with, or without periods, and, if they are one line or more etc.

Chimo

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If it is full of holes, keep it. It might be a perfin (I used this often behind my name)
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Hi all

I forgot to mention in my last posting that the tallness (height) of the letters are important too. Again, I will use rod22's example of "PA". The example shown here is 5 pins high. The letters "PA" can also be found 4 or 6 or more letters high and this goes for the "A" as well. Again, the pin numbers 'could' mean a different user.

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Bujutsu,

Perfin collectors should not try to use my answers to Rod as indicative of what they have. Take the K&C, for example. There are about 15 separate varieties listed in the catalog, and it's difficult to tell them apart without seeing the visual example.
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Rod,

Row 1, #1 — T&C.
See above

Row 1, #2 — AHL
— A.H. Langnese Ww. & Co, Keks-Fabrik [biscuit manufacturer] (Hamburg, 1913-1916)
— Unknown User (Königsberg, 1914)

Row 1, #3 — K — Quite a few options with this one. There are many 17-hole K designs, some with slight differences in leg angle, etc. If you'd like to see the page with visual aids, let me know.

8 1/4 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Jos. Kösel & Fr. Pustet, Verlag u. Buchhandlung [publisher and book store] (Kempten, 1921-1926)
— Unknown User (München, 1925-1927) — outside period of use for MiNr 86

8 3/4 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Kaufstelle Verb. Landw. Gen. [Agriculture buying co-op] (Stuttgart, 1920-1922)
— Landw. Genossen.-Zentralkasse eGmbH [Agriculture bank] (Stuttgart, 1914-1930)

9 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Unknown User (Frankfurt, 1920-1926)

9 1/2 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Kathreiners Malzkaffee-Fabrik [malt coffee factory] (Berlin, 1915-1933)

9 3/4 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Gebru#776;der Kaemphe GmbH (Eisenberg, 1915-1925)
— Kathreiner G.m.b.H. (Berlin, 1916-1935)
— Ru#776;stungskontor GmbH (Berlin)

Row 1, #4 — K.B.
5 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Unknown User (Baden-Baden, 1899-1902) — stamp appears to have 1905 cancel
— Oberrheinische Bank (Freiburg, 1898-1905)
— Unknown User (Heidelberg, 1894-1906)
— Unknown User (Karlsruhe, 1899-1904) — stamp appears to have 1905 cancel
— Köster's Bank AG (Mannheim, 1893) — stamp appears to have 1905 cancel
— Oberrheinische Bank (Mannheim, 1893-1906) — Match?
— Oberrheinische Bank (Straßburg Els., 1898-1904) — stamp appears to have 1905 cancel

6 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Königs-Brauerei AG (Duisburg Beeck, 1924-1925) — stamp appears to have 1905 cancel
— Unknown User (Meiderich, 1922-1924) — stamp appears to have 1905 cancel

Row 1, #5 — H&?
See above — possible partial of H&? H? M? N?

Row 1, #6 — C.B.
See above

Row 1, #7 — U
See above

Row 2, #1 — M.C.
See above

Row 2, #2 — BC
P. Beier & Co., Farbwaren engros [wholesale color goods] (Mainz, 1915-1932)

Row 2, #3 — FF
See above

Row 2, #4 — KS
— Deutsches Kalisyndikat (Berlin, 1913-1925)

Row 2, #5 — MB — Quite a few options for this one as well. If you'd like to see the page with visual aids, let me know.
5 1/2 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Berolina Margarine-Werk [margarine manufacturer] (Berlin, 1922-1938)
— Metallbank u. Metallurg. Ges. (Berlin)
— Maschinenbau-AG Balcke (Frankenthal, 1922-1930)
— Metallbank u. Metallurg. Ges. (Frankfurt, 1923-1934)
— Max Billhardt, Drahtstift-Fabrik [wire nail factory] (Leipzig, 1923-1929)
— Matthäus Bohlmann, Verlagsanstalt [publishing institute] (Meissen, 1921-1925)
— Unknown User (Berlin, 1935-1938) — outside stamp usage period

5 1/2 mm (M) and 6 mm (B) height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Magistrat Bielefeld (Bielefeld, 1924-1926) — outside stamp usage period
— Kur- u. Hauptstadt Brandenburg (Brandenburg, 1927-1932) — outside stamp usage period
— Marcus Blaut, Metallgesellschaft [metal society] (Frankfurt, 1923-1933)
— Max Belling (Stettin, 1924-1940) — outside stamp usage period

7 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— M. Boden, Hoflieferant [court supplier] (Breslau, 1912-1924)

7 3/4 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Gebr. Becker-Eduard Becker Söhne AG, Strumpff (Chemnitz, 1935) — outside stamp usage period
— Max Bergmann (Chemnitz, 1914-1934)

Row 2, #6 — DSG
— Deutsche Su#776;ssstoff-Gesellschaft [sweetener company] (Berlin, 1922-1934)
— Frosin Gesellschft mbH [Frosin Society] (Berlin, 1931) — outside stamp usage period
— Vitox, Vitamin-Extrakt GmbH [vitamin extract company] (Berlin, 1924) — outside stamp usage period
— Unknown User (Oldenburg, 1934) — outside stamp usage period

Row 2, #7 — St
See above

Row 3, #1 — K&C
See above

Row 3, #2 — VDT
Vereinigte Deutsche Teigwarenfabrik GmbH [pasta factory] (Mannheim, 1922-1923)
Otto Moras in Firma Wagner & Moras (Zittau, 1928)
Vereinigte Deutsche Textilwerke [textile factory] (Zittau, 1924-1932)

Row 3, #3 — H.M.C.
H.Meyer & Co. (Hamburg, 1911-1929)

Row 3, #4 — CGW
— Unknown User (Freiburg, 1920)
— Chemische Werke Grenzach AG [chemical plant] (Grenzach, 1917-1927)

Row 3, #5 — PA
See above

Row 3, #6 — T.W.
See above

Row 3, #7 — J.P.A.G.
J. Poplig (Köln, 1920-1923)

Row 3, #8 — J.D.R.
J.D.Riedel, Chemische Fabrik [chemical factory] (Berlin, 1891-1943)
J.D.Riedel-de Haen, Chem. Fabrik [chemical factory] (Berlin, 1933-1936)

Row 4, #1 — FF
See above

Row 4, #2 — ES — Can't be 100% sure on this one. I can get a good count on the "E" holes, but not the "S".
If 16 & 14:
— Schering-Kahlbaum AG (Berlin, 1924-1944)
— Schering-Kahlbaum (Eberswalde, 1935)

If 16 & 16:
— E. Schering, Chemische Fabrik [chemical factory] (Berlin, 1893-1935)

Row 4, #3 — P
5 3/4 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Unknown User (Berlin, 1912-1925)

6 mm height from center of top hole to center of bottom
— Berliner Paketfahrt-AG (Berlin, 1914-1927)

Row 4, #4 — FF
See above
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Hi Postmaster

I agree with you 100%. What I was trying to do is point out that serious perfin collectors do take these variables into consideration. I also agree that there are so many variables with most given patterns and, this applies to many countries that had numerous patterns used.

I appreciate the fact that you are willing to share your information gleaned from the German reference book, and I thank you for that. Please don't take my posting as a contradiction to you personally, but I was stating my points on a general scale.

Chimo

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Thank you for your considerable time on my behalf, Postmaster.
Fabulous stuff.
Thanks for the CGW ID, super.

Now have to work out how I display on my album pages.
I am not too fussy, I just feel the need not to waste the info, and offer it
to whomever takes over custody of my collection, via album pages.

I think I'll just take and print screen snaps of your work, and paste under
the relevant issues.

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Rod,

I'll send you some snippets from the catalog that will better illustrate your pages.
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