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1c 1851 Plate 1-Late Stamps

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Posted 11/16/2017   06:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jaxom100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This thread is for when discussions come up about Plate 1-Early of the 1c 1851 issue.

This plate is unique among 1 plates. As plate one in it's original state began to show wear, the printers decided to extend the life of the plate by employing the original transfer roll and re-entering each and every position, thus strengthening the design. As the top and bottom outer curved lines were still not strong enough, each line that needed strengthening was recut by hand. All but one of the 200 positions received this attention. This lone stamp is Position 4R1L, a Type II, Scott #7. The remaining positions are all Type IV, Scoot #9. This reworked plate is referred to as Plate One in the late state or simply Plate One Late. Plate 1 Late produced imperforate stamps for the most part, but sheets from these two plates were also perforated.



Types and Scott numbers known from Plate 1L, are:
Scott - Type
7 - II (only from position 4R1L)
9 - IV

I would like to thank the Franklin Plating Archive for sharing their great work.
This is the best online plating site I have seen:
http://www.slingshotvenus.com/Frank...inFrame.html

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Posted 11/16/2017   06:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my first plate 1 Late stamp that I have acquired and plated.
It is a 5R1L with nice doubling and guide dots visible.
I am very happy with this purchase and I may get a cert on it from the Plating Archive.






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Posted 11/16/2017   09:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It certainly looks like 5R1L. Nice find. Curious though, why do you feel the need to get it certed?
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Posted 11/16/2017   10:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I feel the need for the cert to verify plate position. If I just wanted one example for my album, it would be unnecessary. I want to collect plate positions and display them with the cert. I was thinking of using Vario 3-pocket pages to display the stamp and cert. Also, $16 is not a bad price to pay for the cert.
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Posted 11/16/2017   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jaxom - Thanks for creating this thread. Nice 5R1L.

While it still allows you to edit the opening post, maybe you could change the text from One Early -> Late.

Also, since plate 1L material, unlike plates 1E and 3, is known perforated, one can get Scott #20 (4R1L), and #23 from this plate. Perforated plating material from Plate 1L is definitely scarce, if you are looking for a specific plate position. The EKU for Plate 1L, perforated, is July 25th, 1857. Always watch for perforated #9's, made to look like #23's.

For any new student to the 1c stamp, plate 1L is by far, the easiest plate to plate stamps from. In part, this is due to the manual recutting, which creates slight variances on each position. It is also due to the fact that the plating drawings for plate 1L are pretty good for the most part. There is also a lot of available material that can be obtained relatively cheaply, to allow one to work on this plate.
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Posted 11/16/2017   7:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Recent auction win

57L1L - Relief A double transfer





1R1L - Relief T double transfer


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Posted 11/16/2017   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rgstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice stamps stallzer... that 1R1L is a great piece especially if working on complete plate or top row.
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Posted 11/16/2017   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, 1R1L is a neat position. A lot going on there.
You can also see the dot at the top of the centerline as well.
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Posted 11/16/2017   8:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice pair. I love that they left the margin on the 1R1L. I wish they had done that on my 1L1L.
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Posted 11/16/2017   11:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here was a tough one to plate but I think it is 21L1L.
There are only two plating marks, dot in the right corner and dot in the "O" of "ONE".
The double "EE" recut at bottom really helped though. That narrowed down my choices.
It has nice margins on 3 sides and a very light cancel.



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Posted 11/17/2017   09:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your 21L plating looks correct. I didn't take the time to eliminate other positions, but it matches 21L1L very well.

The 1R1L with the January CDS, I'm sure is 1853.
That color/impression is what one sees during that winter.
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Posted 11/22/2017   11:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lukusw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just got this pair in the mail yesterday. I believe it is 51-52L. I was excited to pick it up for "cheap" (<$35), especially since it shows varieties of recutting: double recut on both tops, then single recut bottom on the left and double recut bottom on the right! Quite happy with it.

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Posted 11/22/2017   1:37 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty good deal on that pair. Surprising you were able to get it that inexpensively.
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Posted 11/22/2017   9:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lukusw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It was another eBay contribution to philately.
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Posted 11/27/2017   08:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jaxom100 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a difficult one to plate. I cannot find any plating marks, dots or anything else to begin with.



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I think I see 6 possible marks that might help. I've indicated them below.

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