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Posted 02/10/2019   11:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I suspect originally, when the rosettes were being machined into the reliefs, that the machining was slightly out of 'register' (Perhaps the wrong word) with the rest of the design at that point.


MM,
As soon as you said, "one pass" I then agreed with your suggestion.
I am only a US pretender, I know nothing of the production of their stamps, but using the British Rose engine as an example, I think the scroll work was produced vertically on a face plate in a Rose Engine lathe.
"Slightly out of register" makes perfect sense to me, this is very fine work.

Takes nothing away from the stamp, makes it more interesting.
The lathe work between the rosettes is just beautiful, beats the framework of the Penny Black in my opinion.


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Posted 02/11/2019   5:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have at least one Troy cancel from 1851, it is blue. I might even have more than one style. Also in my collection are part India stamps used in MA (Boston), NJ, CT, OH, and even a few yet to be figured out. Several are on cover...
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Posted 02/11/2019   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think Boxborough is going to be a winner but I just found a Foxboro cancel from 1857-61 on eBay that looks promising. I won't be convinced totally until I see a good example on a cover from closer to 1851.
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Posted 02/11/2019   5:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is one of my Troy, NY covers from 1851.

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Posted 02/11/2019   6:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lots of "boro's" in MA. Northboro, Lanesboro.......
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Posted 02/11/2019   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One can eliminate Attleboro ... it was still being spelled "borough" until around WWI.
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Posted 02/11/2019   6:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Attleborough, Mass was officially changed to Attleboro on Aug 9, 1894 as published in the Postal Bulletin of 8/27/1894. Part of the mass changings of -borough to -boro and other name standardizations of PMG Wanamaker. Granted, some individuals and businesses may have continued to use the old spelling for some time afterwards.
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Posted 02/11/2019   6:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Truro by any chance?
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Posted 08/19/2019   7:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So, I have found a potential match. It isn't perfect for a couple reasons but seems pretty compelling in other ways. What does everybody think? I am pretty sure this new cover has a Foxborough CDS.

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Posted 08/19/2019   7:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just dug out the stamp. I guess it probably isn't going to work, the mystery cancel has larger, wider spaced letters in the town name.
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Posted 08/20/2019   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Winston, in your post here -

http://goscf.com/t/66246&whichpage=2#578167

you indicate that this 'Troy' is 1851, which I assume is a typo.
If that is a 1E stamp, then its probably 1852.
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Posted 08/20/2019   12:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
LOL, I grabbed the wrong image I guess. I have previously used that image as proof that stamps were not always used up as quickly as is usually assumed.



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Posted 08/20/2019   12:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first time I posted that image, nearly ten years ago now, I was told it wasn't an OB stamp because it was used too late!
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Posted 08/20/2019   12:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a good example of an out of period use. Nice cancel too.
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Posted 08/20/2019   1:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
One of the odd facts about the part India/thin paper stamps, particularly the 3c stamps, is they were all used much later than the other early printings from Plate 1E. Speculate is all we can do to explain why.
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