Scott 2838 1944:road To Victory Sheet

Note the map area to the left. The arrows within the image are distinctively different but I have not found any mention of this. Would this be considered as type I and type II

Plate numbers are: 323242 1 and 846796 1

Should read: Scott 2838 1944:Road To Victory Sheet

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Yes something is going on there however, due to the quality and limited areas shown, one cannot tell. Can you provide clear closeups of single arrows as well as of both maps in their entirety?

In addition to the above post, can you also show the whole stamps, including the perforations ? Thank you
And sorry parcelpost - you are probably asking the same I am!


Peter

Here are some arrow close-ups. Perforations are 11 x 11 both sheets

Here are the full sheet, but quality is poor

Really, we do need a much better, sharper image here.
From some of the blue print it could be seen that there could be shifted plates or even an upside down color.
Anyway, we need a far better picture


Peter

It does appear the yellow part of the line on the land is narrower on one and wider on the other. I don't see what the blue has to do with it.

Eyeonwall, you are correct, the "BLUE" has noting to do with this. It's all the arrows that are the concern. As you noted the reversed red with yellow inside is actually the part of the arrow going onto land where the black produces the remain arrow point. These are of different width as it travel within the sheet. I'm trying to obtain a sample with plate numbers 111111 1 to see how it actually started with original plates. I did see one online which illustrated the reversed out red with yellow being of equal width to black arrow. If true, this would be an additional variation.

I have all of the plate numbers except 4. Below are what I have found in looking through my examples. Plate numbers that start in "3", which is the red color, appear to be the ones with "narrow yellow" arrow as I call it. My guess is for the ones I don't have they are most likely "wide yellow" arrows.

Wide yellow in upward arrow pointing at the "N' in the word China:
111111 1
222121 1
434353 1
434363 1
434373 1
534383 1
554383 1
554393 1
654393 1
846796 1
854494 1

Narrow yellow in upward arrow pointing at the "N" in the word China:
322131 1
322232 1
323232 1
323242 1

Numbers missing from my collection:
434383 1
643931 1
754393 1
754494 1

Interesting catch.

Nice find by the OP Uncle Mo, It goes to show even after 31 years you never know what you might find.
I would also have a tendency to agree with mstocky2, it does seem that this would be a distinct variety on the plates beginning with #3.
I wonder if Scott's would list this as a variety (or at least mention it) if it was brought to their attention.

One other note, on the second close up scan with the thin yellow line, the yellow appears to be missing in the upper right area. Not sure if that's an anomaly from the scan/pic or if it's actually missing in that area.

Edit: Correct typo

MStock2 - thank you for verificating these two variations and additionally the plate numbers involved. Guess my next question would be: Are they Type I and Type II or #2838a and 2838b?

Mike2006 - yellow was not missing, to obtain such a close-up the light direction had to be placed at an angle which nutralized the yellow to white.

"yellow was not missing, to obtain such a close-up the light direction had to be placed at an angle which nutralized the yellow to white."

Uncle Mo - I figured it was something like that, thanks for the clarification.

I have been away from this and have little time to review the details, but to add this for now:

As for Scott listing the issue here is not on the stamps but affecting the selvage. That said, listing could occur first if this is plate number or numbers specific. Additionally Scott has listed items where the stamps themselves were not affected but the selvage was. See Scott 2875, the 1998 BEP S/S of four $2.00 stamps for several such selvage varieties.

If it depend on the red plate number, then it isn't a narrow yellow, it is wide red

@mstocky2 do you try to get all the plate #s?

If there is some way to message me I will drop a 434383 to you...

Looks like I have two sheets with that plate and two sheets of 434363.

But I don't think you can message me till I hit 50 posts