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Posted 05/13/2013   2:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rein

So the 1959 Kon. Bibliotheek set, Scott B647 - B652 (Michel 1155 - 1160) were printed in four colours, via one plate
direct recess using the Giori process?
Correct?
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Lithograving,

Yes, indeed!

And the 100th Anniversary of Mechelen Werkplaats was MONO-colour! On the STIF 6!!

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Posted 05/13/2013   3:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Florian

You mention the French 1966 "Pour le MUSÉE POSTAL" souvenir sheet
as an example of TD -6 composed of 1 plate direct plate printing / line engraved recess printing = taille-douce 3 couleurs
and 1 plate indirect plate printing / offset-recess = taille-douce report 3 couleurs

I believe I have the stamp France Michel 1552 somewhere but
have never seen the special Souvenir Sheet.
The old Michel I have states that the stamp was printed combination
StTdr und RaTdr (Steel recess and photogravure)

I have to admit I had never heard of offset-recess before it was mentioned here by Rein.
Just shows there is always something new to learn about stamp printing. New to me at least.

I'm always surprised at the lack of interest shown by most stamp collectors when it comes to stamp production.
For instance on this forum out of lets say a couple hundred members
who are regular posters there are maybe half a dozen really into this stuff.
But what the heck , to each his own.
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Posted 05/13/2013   3:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply








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Thank you Rein for those great scans of the French 1966 "Pour le MUSÉE POSTAL" souvenir sheet.

Looking at the close up detail of the orange and red colours I don't know what I'm seeing.

Doesn't look like offset/litho nor photogravure. Even though the red
of the shoulder appears almost like unscreened photo.
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Lithograving,

yes, I can imagine, as the Czecho-Slowak background colours [for the WIFAG] were usually in unscreened photogravure and that may remind you of it!

Florian is certain that in Cz-Sl the Giori prcoess had never been used.

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Posted 05/14/2013   04:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 65170 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can I suggest that anyone reading this thread visits the Stamp Magazine (UK) website and specifically the forum thread
http://www.stampmagazine.co.uk/foru...th=77549&p=1 which includes 25 pages so far on engravers and their work.

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Posted 05/14/2013   05:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add florian to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Galeoptix - Rein, beginning in 1958, one-colour background tints printed in photogravure on the WIFAG rotary press, and, starting in 1967, some three-colour WIFAG-printed combos had their photogravure parts steel engraved in diagonal hatching (and cross hatching for half-tones). Such engravings used to be done by Jaroslav Goldschmied (acknowledged as their engraver in the then POFIS catalogues) and moletted onto the rotary press photogravure printing cylinders for better effect.

Thank you for the detailed info.
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Posted 05/14/2013   07:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 65170 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The reason for choosing to collect engraved stamps cannot better be explained than by comparing these two German stamps from 1949 and 2013 respectively. I know which one I prefer!





GLENN MORGAN


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Posted 05/14/2013   4:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I know which one I prefer!


Absolutely agree Glenn.

The one is a miniature piece of art, painstakingly created by skilled artists in their field ; designers, engravers and printers.

The other is a nondescript label showing a pic taken with a digital camera, photoshopped and printed lightening fast and cheap via offset/litho.
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Posted 05/14/2013   4:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



Quote:
moletted onto the rotary press photogravure printing cylinders for better effect.


Florian

I'm not really understanding that process. Specifically what is
meant by moletted ?

Could you give me the Michel numbers of the stamps in question.


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Posted 05/14/2013   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Check out this wonderful site about French DIE PROOFS, ARTIST'S DIE PROOFS, ENGRAVER'S DIE PROOFS by Giorgio Leccese.

http://www.dieproofs.it/english/pro...sta_eng.html

The wealth of information there is very pertinent to the recent discussions we've had here recently regarding print methods.
Although I find some of it a bit too technical for me.

Here are just two examples of the many illustrations shown.




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Posted 05/14/2013   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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And the 100th Anniversary of Mechelen Werkplaats was MONO-colour! On the STIF 6!


Rein,

I only have this used, partially stained copy of Belgium Michel 1507 issued in 1968, but it will have to do.


First of all lets not forget that this thread is called Collecting by Engraver.
The initials LJ (lower left) stand for the engraver Leon Janssens.

Belgian stamps are different in this respect since most countries
place the engraver's name lower right and designer's lower left
or if the engraver was also the designer then in the middle.

It does not have the appearance of "normal" engraving,
more like etched especially noticeable in the solid area surrounding the lion.
Therefore I assume that these stamps were produced by indirect plate printing or offset-recess.



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Some recent stamps acquired: Czechoslovakia 1953

Scott 621-623




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Posted 05/14/2013   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
graphis,

Those 1953 Czechoslovakian stamps are nice examples of what was considered 60 years ago just ordinary, engraved stamps in plain, boring monochrome.
Most collectors then wouldn't even give them a second look
especially since they were issued in an East European commie
country and usually found in cheap approval offerings.

Fast forward to 2013. How many countries still issue engraved
stamps? And from those how many are one colour totally engraved?
Most have a bit of engraving surrounded by photo or litho.

We never appreciate things until after we loose them.

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