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Carpatho-Ukraine Joy From Bidstart

 
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Posted 10/26/2010   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cjd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A while back, we discussed the Carpatho-Ukraine issue, listed under Czechoslovakia in the Scott catalogue, but given a one-stamp listing in some old albums. This stamp was valid for about five minutes before the post office was overrun.

I decided to upgrade my copy, and found one on bidStart, the seller of which was levasseur. I was slightly nervous, because there was one pictured, but many available, so I wasn't sure what I would get. The stock scan was pretty good, but not perfect. (Some sellers seem to have a knack for scanning the best example they've ever seen to use as their stock photo.)

Anyway, this is what I received...couldn't be happier...



Here is a detail of the stamp, itself...



And not to leave kim out in the cold, here is a detail of the selvage...



Full marks to levasseur for underpromising and overdelivering. (Not related in any way.)
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Posted 10/26/2010   01:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice CD. I would love a postally used copy
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Posted 10/29/2010   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, a postally-used copy would be wonderful. This value was a relatively high value at the time, and would cover postage and registration. I've read that around 1,800 registered items were delivered for posting on the fateful morning, but that Hungarian troops had cut the main road, so most didn't get out. Hungary did release them at some point, and they were processed and sent on.

There is a commemorative, red circular cancel, and also the regular black circular-date stamp cancel (for the city of Chust).

A sheet was seven stamps wide by 16 rows (space for 112 stamps), but only 100 of the spaces were actually printed, with six blank spaces in each of the top and bottom rows. Pretty sure that makes mine one of the second-row stamps with a blank label above.
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Posted 10/29/2010   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks CD . Excellent information, I will be looking for that stamp. There are some on ebay now.
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Posted 01/31/2011   4:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was working on my Czechoslovakia pages last night and came back to this post on Carpatho-Ukraine (formerly called Ruthenia).

After further research, I think Scott moved it from it's old listing in the back of the book to the regular Czechoslovakia issues (#254B) because it was in fact a commemorative stamp issued for the planned autonomy the region was getting WITHIN Czechoslovakia, and was also valid in the rest of the country. The stamp was surely engraved, and printed well before they even knew Carpatho-Ukraine would suddenly declare independence.

Here is a map from Wikipedia:


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Posted 02/10/2022   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Linus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bumping this ancient thread for an important update.

Scanned below is a block in my collection. I was looking up this exact stamp in the 2022 Scott Catalogue Volume 2B.

I could not find it.

Czechoslovakia Scott #254B has now been deleted from the Scott Catalogue, see page 970.

Linus


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Posted 02/10/2022   12:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice block , need to pick up a copy .
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Posted 02/10/2022   2:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Greaden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Is there a reason for its removal from Scott? Could the stamp have been relocated, perhaps to Bohemia and Moravia?
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Posted 02/10/2022   3:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott says the following for 2022 volume 2 changes:


Quote:
One of the significant updates to this volume is the addition of the stamps of Carpatho-Ukraine. A total of 110 new major Scott numbers were added. Carpatho-Ukraine was an autonomous region established in December 1938 within the Second Czechoslovak Republic and proclaimed an independent republic in March 1939. The Czechoslovak government-in-exile was established in Khust in late 1944 and began issuing overprinted and surcharged Hungary stamps in February 1945. The Soviet National Council of Carpatho-Ukraine (NZRU) issued three sets of definitive stamps in 1945. Carpatho-Ukraine was ceded to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1946.
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Posted 02/10/2022   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Is there a reason for its removal from Scott? Could the stamp have been relocated, perhaps to Bohemia and Moravia?

That wouldn't make any sense, since that section is reserved for postage used and issued under the Nazi Protectorate of 1939-1945; not Slovakia, Hungary, Ukraine, or anywhere else.
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Posted 02/10/2022   4:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Linus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found it on page 166, Scott 2022 Volume 2A, under the "new" old country of Carpatho-Ukraine, which I have never heard of before.

Carpatho-Ukraine Scott #1, mint $4.00, used $40.00

The value for a mint copy dropped in half from the 2019 Scott value.

I will have to print out a new label for my block, but heck, it is a #1 now.

Thanks rogdcam,

Linus

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