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Newfoundland Qv Scott#31/Nova Scotia Qv Scott#11

 
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Posted 12/18/2010   1:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cynical to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I placed an image of Newfoundland's 24c Queen Victoria (Newfoundland Scott#31) on the Queen Victoria Commonwealth Stamps thread. I was going to follow that with the Nova Scotia 8&1/2c Queen Victoria (Nova Scotia Scott#11) but Russ beat me to it and it's just as well as my intent would have side-tracked the thread which is moving smoothly. Hence this thread.

The image of Queen Victoria used for the 8&1/2c Newfoundland Scott#31 was the basis for the Nova Scotia stamp.






The two Nova Scotia stamps were given to me as a gift many years ago. My reason for putting them here is to make a point about the confusion relating to stamp hues and paper types as depicted in various catalogues.

The old dealer description above using Scott 11 and 11a is straight-forward and gives me no anxiety and I relished that comforting fact for some years. The rub though is that when I looked at the more recent nomenclature surrounding these stamps in various catalogues (such as Darnell, Canada Specialized, Scott and I assume Unitrade and Stanley Gibbons) over the past 25 years I started to get a bit anxious. This, as many of you know, is just a minor example but when I get involved in the more complicated individual cases I start to feel like I'm falling down a rabbit hole and based on past experience put the collection away.

I will have more to say in a subsequent post about these particular stamps. It is suffice to say that I come to praise them, not to bury them.



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Posted 12/19/2010   11:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My 2005 Unitrade catalog has
11 8-1/2c Green
11a White Paper
11i yellow green

Just looking at your stamps with their older descriptions and comparing to these in a newer catalog one would tend to think that the newer catalog was lacking somewhat is its description of all possible varieties.

I am not at all familiar with Nova Scotia stamps myself.
A nice site illustrating Nova Scotia Stamps and Postal History:
http://www.frmfoundation.org/NovaScotia/index.php
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Posted 12/20/2010   12:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

A nice post, made good reading. (thumb up)

Has anyone noticed Vicki's earings, hang from her hair
and not her ears?
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Posted 12/20/2010   01:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kind of looks like that but perhaps she had ears that stuck out a bit from her head (like mine do) and perhaps it is artist's license also.

Looks nice all symmetrical except for her regally cute quizzical expression.
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Posted 12/21/2010   1:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now for the rest of the story. There are only 13 Nova Scotia stamps and there is an excellent display of them by Ken Perry at the link below:

http://www.stamporama.com/articles/...AoByHRwSwjfw

The six Queens (Nova Scotia Scott#8-13) making up the 1860-1863 issue top my list of the Queen Victoria issues and I believe Ken Perry's images below demonstrate this.







I'm not alone in this assessment. The Stamp Mercury of Boston (1868) deemed that:


Quote:
"in design, delicacy of engraving, brilliancy of colour, and general execution, they remained unexcelled by the stamps of any country. The portraits of Her Majesty are far superior to the insipid likenesses upon most of the British Colonial Stamps. When the 5c stamp appeared it was adjudged "The Queen of Stamps" by critics in the United States."


R.S. Mason (A Hundred Years of Canadian Stamps 1851-1951, The Ryerson Press, Toronto, 1951) described the Quenn Victoria issues of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick as being so sought after by collectors that forgeries and counterfeit reproductions were rampant. The stamp journals of the day published so many warnings of this fraudulent practice and how to identify them that in time most of them disappeared.
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Posted 12/21/2010   1:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Has anyone noticed Vicki's earings, hang from her hair
and not her ears?


So, Victoria wore herrings?
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Posted 12/23/2010   09:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Puzzler: thanks for that great link on Nova Scotia stamps. I liked the classy way they presented the covers. All round a beautiful web site.
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Posted 12/23/2010   1:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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So, Victoria wore herrings?


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Posted 12/30/2010   12:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To complete my original thought I find the designations pertaining to stamp colour and paper colour subsequent to the old dealer description to be terribly confusing. Below are some variations on the theme. Scott seems consistent in more recent years but confusingly so regarding the colour of the stamp and the paper.

From Scott's 1976 Standard Postage Stamp Catalogue:

Design A5 White or Yellowish Paper
11 8-1/2c green
a white paper

From 1982-83 Canada Specialized Postage Stamp Catalogue

8 8-1/2c green (white or yellowish paper)
a yellow green

From Scott's 1991 Specialized Catalogue of Canadian Stamps:

11 8-1/2c green
a white paper
I yellow green

From Darnell's 1994 Stamps of Canada

NS9 8-1/2c green, toned paper
a green, white paper
b deep green, white paper
c deep green, thick hard paper
etc

From Scott's 2003 Classic Specialized Catalogue of Stamps & Covers

Design A5 White or Yellowish Paper
11 8-1/2c green
a white paper


From Puzzler's 2005 Unitrade catalog:

11 8-1/2c Green
11a White Paper
11i yellow green
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Posted 12/19/2013   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Came across an article in BNA Topics (1967 V24N1 Jan: Graham Fairbanks). The article pertains to the stamp's history on covers but the following quote adds some perspective to this thread:


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Probably, "the last word" on these stamps will be found in the late Nicholas Argenti's (hereafter referred to as "N.A.") book of 1962 and the Postal History of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick of our editor, of 1964.

.... the value was issued about October l, 1860, engraved by the American Bank Note Company, on toned yellowish, or white wove paper; shades range from yellowish green to deep green, perf. 11 3/4. Also reported on very thick "dead white" paper - I have never seen it thus, although have a 12 1/2c on this paper.

The earliest known "cents" cover is October 18, 1860 (12 1/2c to England, ex N,A.).

Due to the "remaïnders", 8 1/2c unused singles and blocks are still common, but in used-singles are scarce, pairs quite rare and N.A. states "a few blocks exist" - although I believe he had none, nor can I recall any ever offered.

The 8 1/2c is by far the rarest "cents" value on cover, due both to restricted usages and period of same, which were:

October 1/60 to May 1/62 British packet rate to U.S.A., Bermuda, Newfoundland and St. Pierre & Miquelon (latter up to 1868). Also to Cape Breton, by sea, except for the months December-January-February and March, when the Newfoundland packet did not call'.

After May l, 1962, the rate changed to 10c, except for St. Pierre and Miquelon.


Anyone interested in the stamp's cover history can read the entire article at the following link:

http://bnatopics.org/journals/1967/...o.%20251.pdf
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Posted 12/22/2013   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice thread and cool connection. Thanks

Here are my #31 stamps (sorry that they are not larger images):

I've got #31 with "American Bank Note" at bottom on pelure paper--sort of yellowish.

Also, the more uncommon 31a on stout white paper from 1870 issuance.



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