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Posted 01/04/2011   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Moonbird to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
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Posted 01/04/2011   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is part of a set of ten from 1939 from American Banknoote Company for Eaton Paper Co. All of scenes from New York.

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Posted 01/04/2011   4:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As cinderellas go these are pretty impressive.
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Posted 01/04/2011   4:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sure that these were promotional gifts from the Eaton sales people. They are really nicely detailed of course ABC was one of the finest engraving firms have produce stamps for the U.S. and many other countries.
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Posted 01/04/2011   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cynical to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Since first seeing that beautiful set of poster stamps on SCF, especially the train one, I can't help but think of Ayn Rand's allegorical novel Atlas Shrugged.
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Posted 01/04/2011   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I love the designs of those Eaton's Letter Paper labels, too.

Although I'm not particularly an avid railroad specialist, I did find this article interesting on the railroad train depicted within this set (from American Topical Assn. web site):


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Several copies of this label have been circulating lately and it may be worthwhile concluding with a note about the locomotive shown thereon.

As stated on the label the train is the "Broadway Limited" hauled by a streamlined version of Pennsylvania's famous K4s class. Originally brought out in 1914, the class ran 425 locomotives by the time production ceased in 1927. They were built by Baldwin's and the Pennsylvania Company's works at Altoona, Pa. (of Horseshoe Curve fame). They weighed 138 tons.

In 1936, after extensive wind tunnel testing on clay models, a number of these locomotives were streamlined at Altoona. The streamlining increased the weight to 150 tons but reduced the wind resistance by over one third at 60 m.p.h.

The principle dimensions are: wheel arrangement 4-6-2, two outside cylinders 27" (diameter) x 28" (stroke), diameter of driving wheels 6' 8", boiler pressure 205 lbs./sq. in., length over buffers of engine and tender 80' 5-1/2" (in original form), 95' 0" (streamlined). The increased length was because the streamlined version was fitted with an 18,000 (U.S.) gallon tender in place of the 14,000 gallon tender originally fitted.

Author's Note:

In Railway Philately Volume 6 No.1 (December 1971) the following correction appeared:

"Without disrespect to my good friend Tony Goodbody, I would correct an error in his article on the USA (September Journal). The 'Eaton's Fine Letter Papers' label does not show the PRR streamlined K4s No.3768, but the lone prototype S-1 class 6-4-4-6- Duplex No.6100.

The duplex arrangement consisted of two independent sets of cylinders, wheels and motion in one rigid frame, the purpose being to lessen the weight of the reciprocating masses (and therefore the hammer blow on the track) as compared with an 8-coupled locomotive. Like 3768, No.6100 was styled by the industrial designer Raymond Loewy, and was displayed at the New York World's Fair in 1939-40. It was in action a stationary roller plant with "American Railroads" blazoned along the 16-wheel, 2,430 gallon tender.

In line service, however, it was something of a white elephant, being too cumbersome for the duties allotted to it, and was cut up in 1949. The duplex concept had meanwhile been developed into the T-1 4-4-4-4. S-1 had cylinders 22" x 26" (four), driving wheels 7 ft. in diameter and weighted 27.5 long tons." (a mistake I think: see below).

C.A.Hart


Andy Hart was obviously correct.

Then I have added in M/S : 'Boiler pressure 300p.s.i., Length = 140 ft. 2.5 ins., Weight 271.5 tons, Maximum speed 100 mph, Built in Juniata Shops, Altoona.'


Frankly, it gives me more history than I care about, but some may find it to be useful material to keep with this subject.
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Since first seeing that beautiful set of poster stamps on SCF, especially the train one, I can't help but think of Ayn Rand's allegorical novel Atlas Shrugged.

I agree. That stream-lined locomotive especially evokes images of a hard working country and populace. Thanks for reminding me of it, must get it again from the library and reread it after many years.
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Posted 01/04/2011   5:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For those whom my be interested, I have seen several MNH complete sets with card on ebay for $15-20. I think that these are going to appreciate in value over the next few years and have recently purchased 2 sets.
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Posted 01/04/2011   6:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Edwin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I posted about these a week ago I only have 6 of them. funny thing is its the same 6 of the 7 shown on ebay, Russ do you remember if they all came together as a set? or if its just coincidence?
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Posted 01/04/2011   6:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Edwin, I have seen partial sets (4-8 stamps) and some complete sets with or without card. Currently there are no complete sets with card. The complete set is 10 scenes with card.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...hlink:top:en
http://cgi.ebay.com/10-Eatons-Bank-...em5ade541411
http://cgi.ebay.com/1939-USA-SET-EA...em43a0665fb7
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Posted 01/04/2011   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In all the posts about these labels, and in attempting to research its history on the web, I have yet to fully understand what prompted these cinderellas to be issued. I think I read somewhere that it was to coincide with the 1940 NY World's Fair. Maybe Eaton Papers had a display there? Were they freebees at the point they were issued (i.e. included as a premium in a purchase of a box of Eaton Fine Papers)? Then again, could it be that Eaton Fine Papers was the primary paper supplier to the American Banknote Company who printed the labels?

A number of interesting theories. Anyone know the full story?
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Posted 01/04/2011   9:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Russ to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wt1, You are correct, these stamps were issued to coincide with the 1939 New York Worlds Fair and were placed in boxes of stationary. I don't believe that Eaton ever supplied paper to American Banknote Company. Crane & Company were the long time suppliers of paper to ABC. However, the son of the Crane owner married the daughter of the Eaton owner about 1905-1910 so there is a connection there. Eaton produced the high end boxed stationary, very high quality.
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Posted 01/05/2011   02:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the confirmation. Interestingly, I just read a newspaper article online from the 1970's that referred to Eaton Paper Company having issued these stamps in 1939 and "they were so realistic" people were using them as stamps for their mail and so the USPO persuaded Eaton to stop making them..." I wonder just how many were made before the post office persuaded them to stop. That may be what makes them so desirable on the resale market (in addition to the fine engravings).
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Posted 01/05/2011   04:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So there could be some postally used ones?
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Posted 01/05/2011   08:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add djd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Atlas shrugged

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I agree. That stream-lined locomotive especially evokes images of a hard working country and populace. Thanks for reminding me of it, must get it again from the library and reread it after many years.

I have Read it three times.
The first time, when I was in isolation on the "Dew line" .
I remember it evoked many a heated discussion amongst the crew.
My vivid vision of the train was when it was making its last trek.
Favourite quote "Check your premises, there are no contradictions".
Favourite passage was the comment on "Money is the root of all evil".
Must read it again.
one more comment,I have been trying to get a F.D.C. of the Ayn Rand issue.
anyone have space cover to sell.
David-DJD
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Edited by djd - 01/06/2011 4:20 pm
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Posted 01/06/2011   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was flipping through a 2009 Kenmore catalog last evening (it came in an assorted lot) and I noticed that they listed a "set of 7" of the Eatons for $8. Considering their usual pricing and markups, that seemed like a relative giveaway. (By the way, they seem to use "set" for however many out of a particular set they happen to be selling together. "Set" doesn't mean "Complete set" to them.)
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