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5 Cent Newfoundland Caribou

 
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Posted 03/10/2011   4:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mhc99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The mint 5¢ Newfoundland caribou shown below is imperf and has a round hole punched in the upper left side. Is this stamp a specimen and if so, I thought that the word "specimen" should appear on same. Does anyone have any idea as to the value of this stamp?



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Posted 03/10/2011   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Some information on Waterlows security punches,
but I am unaware if that is pertinent to you example.



Waterlow and Sons used to overprint some of the stamps
that they printed with:

WATERLOW & SONS LTD.
SPECIMEN

Also, a small security hole was punched in the stamp.

These were used as specimens to send to other UPU
countries and were also used in Waterlow's salespersons'
sample books to show other potential customers the quality
of their workmanship. They are seen on stamps of
many countries. (Peru, Portugal, Yemen, Newfoundland,
Thailand, Rhodesia, Mozambique Company, etc)

Various types of Waterlow proofs were also cancelled with
just a punched hole (or a large hole for a block of 4) ,in
order to "cancel" them.
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Posted 03/10/2011   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mhc99 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rod, thanks for your detailed info. I hope someone else has seen this before in Nfld. stamps and can say whether the hole usage relates to the stamp being a specimen or proof.
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Posted 03/11/2011   01:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Minesweeper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unitrade says that #257vii is a imperf. Pair with security punch. Maybe your stamp is a separated pair?
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Posted 12/16/2012   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add World of Andrew Thomas to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

I have wondering the very same thing for the last couple of months...on and off research always ended up disappointed and now I see yours and it does come together...
I have see photo. A pair of Horizontal 1 cent Newfoundland Queen Victoria stamps from 1897-1901...Royal Family series...on the original envelope corner..

I have been looking myself to find out whether or not The punch is a not so funny joke like record guys or an actual cancel for the stamps???

Now you can see there is a cancel but out of ink or always very light..But then because I think some over zealous individual wanted to make sure these 2 cents stamps could not be used again....based on their poor machine they punched canceled the pair in one shot ..notice it is right on perforation line canceling both at the same time.
as well the impression remains very concentrated at the one area only of the whole normal circle....like the dropped the machine or had a warped cancel plate or something..

Anyway Here is our answers...Now the next step would be to the next level...what is a stamp worth with a Rare Punch hole cancel...because they as we see do exist.

hope this helps.. It helps Me!

I viewed some examples of these security punches but the hole for that punch has a mild extra notch in the hole pattern..and from what I see the 2 are not the same...as the other fellow stated " These may not be pertinent to your quest and I think he was right..

I am showing what is pertinent to your question..


Thomas





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Posted 12/16/2012   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I know the hole punches were used alot for NFLD revenues but how it relates to your imperf example is another question. I also read the specimens are hole punched but should say specimen. The salesman sample concept does make sense to cover all bases but a very hard one to prove regardless.
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Posted 12/16/2012   2:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add World of Andrew Thomas to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
security punched Newfoundland.. You Notice on the upper right hole punch or the cleanest of the four holes has a Single Blip or deliberate pattern in a protrusion like manner outside of a simple circle hole..of what ever the design is or was to be... If any. again deliberate or otherwise... You can see the detail of the punch out line is altered to a different degree with every punch starting with 1 2 3 & 4 you can read which one was #2 #3 ..so..on.. ( I thought it was interesting) ...regarding your stamp frays and this security stamp frays and fluctuation ..This I believe is from a build up of paper on the cutting edge from the cut before either a dull used blade or dent paper build up ...or for styles that accumulate the cuttings.. (if they had them then..It looks like all could be simple from a very full unit...again if such was used...Really how often does a 3 hole punch get dumped or the hand punch..Or the pencil sharpener shavings..All Three typical objects are the same & human nature in a majority of the cases would be...Nobody and never...Thats just the way it is with these objects.. Unless it has far surpassed the point of which this unit should have been dumped you get what you are seeing in yours and as well clearly shown in the security stamps... anyway your frays are a weak pressure cut So Typically intent a round hole..The security First punched hole is it actual pattern or again a leaflet of paper from the last item punched setting another hole variation distinction...
You know the 1901 postal person was heard on many occasions cussing the this vary unit ..."This stupid thing always builds up inside and I have to pick the stink'n paper out of it....All the freak'n time...man"!!......That Elsa McGibbon was quite the Character...I remember the one time at the Christmas party...
That was a joke...Anyway...All This Blabber and note is simply an observation that I found looking for the same answers you were looking for...

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