Albania Not Found - Newspaper Stamp?

I can find this stamp with the posthorn, and I can find it listed without the posthorn and another overprint but nothing with no without posthorn or overprint. Can someone help with a Scott number please? Thanks - Jeff

I'd suggest it belongs with the stamp
previously released of William 1.

"stamps without opt were not issued and those offered
came from looted stocks.

although SG does not say this for this issue,
it would explain the opts.

so not a forgery but "Unfinished-Unissued" - yes?

That's what I assume Jeff,
it needs verification.


Jeff lovell runs a country,
He prints 10 million stamps with his likeness,
Some blackguard pinches 1 million stamps from the back shed.

What are you going to do?
authorise the stamp and lose 1 million receipts?

Or, overprint the remainders and authorise those, thereby
making the unoverprinted issue null and void.

easy peasy.

Same thing may have happened to this stamp

This site might be of interest, regarding some of the overprints:

http://www.philatelicdatabase.com/h...nted-prince/

Thanks a lot 22crows,
I love reading christer brunstrom
a great philatelic journalist.

That was an interesting, albeit convoluted story.

got it, thanks everyone. not visiting Albania, can't write home!

You are all wrong, I'm afraid.:-)

In fact it is simply a newspaper stamp.


Peter

Thanks Peter, my Scott does not show this. can you see a picture? Thanks Jeff

No, Jeff, my catalogue does not show those stamps either - but you can find those having been overprinted and thus converted to postage stamps. In the description you will find the words "on newspaper stamps".



Peter

Before you begin calling people wrong,
you need evidence my friend.

AFAIK these were never officially issued without an overprint
(BESA in a label or a posthorn)
Let's see your proof, then we can apologise.

Far from being an expert here, but all I've "heard" in the past regarding use as a newspaper stamp has always been associated with the 1922 "Q 1" overprint stamp. I am NOT saying that overprinted stamp was a newspaper stamp. However, that is the only time I've heard reference to the stamp design as a newspaper stamp and every time I've heard of it, the stamp itself has been presented as the newspaper stamp of 1922 (NOT 1920).

The first postal overprinted stamp was issued in 1920. So clearly, the stamp was put into use before 1922. I do not understand the discrepancy in the dates, other than to wonder if it was LATER used as a newspaper stamp? I guess I'm asking: 1) was this a normal postage stamp that was later converted to newspaper stamp usage (without overprint); 2) a newspaper stamp converted to normal postage stamp usage; 3) or a stamp only authorized for postal usage after overprint? But I'm completely guessing here.

Like Rod, I would be very interested in seeing catalog/reference documentation for all this. Again, all I have read/heard in the past was 2nd-hand (or on a dealer sales page).

Hopefully, someone has a catalog or reference that can shed more light.

k

I'll pop it in my suitcase and take it over to another ng
for an opinion.

No one really has said what it was, until downunder,
we were only suggesting usage, and downunder's reply
was probably meant in a tease, but such evidence is
not convincing in a truly philatelic sense.

After 22crows link, I would think this stamp
was not issued, either for political reasons
given by 22crows post, or by the looting scenario.

Yep, it would be nice to nail it down
Klasboer's site doesn't offer images, so a lot has
been left to guess, but he does show a series
in the bust issue.

I see Klaseboer also mentions that "magic phrase" --




But again, what is the source/basis for this statement?

Please let us know what you find out, Rod! Or Peter, if you can find a reference, that would be great too!

k

Still only an opinion,
but seems I wasn't as "wrong" as some may have believed
proving Philately can be treacherous ground
for definitive comments.

According to "The stamps and posts of Albania and Epirus 1878 to 1945" by
John S Phipps, they are definitive stamps prepared for use but not issued.

In more detail, these are stamps which the French commandant had ordered
from the French government stamp printing works but which did not reach
Shkoder until after the international occupation had ended. They consist
fo 6 values with the effigy of Skenderbeg superimposed on an Albanian
double eagle and of a postage due series of 4 values whith a view of the
fortress of Shkoder. The book lists Brunel and Wallisch as references.

Regards,
Nick
(Mr. Nick Bridgewater)

So if I read all of the thread correctly the majority opinion is that this item was legitimately ordered for use and became obsolete before issue and so never was issued? And all of this "with reservation?" or is Mr Bridgewater the end of the story? (Sorry I do not know the name) - Jeff