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Bayern-3kr-Silk Inlay (Silk Thread)

 
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Posted 04/30/2011   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cdnum to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,

Is silk inlay like that is something common?

I never saw it







Thank you!

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Posted 04/30/2011   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not a wire cdnum, a silk thread,
not common, during a time when
various methods were tried to prevent forgery.
GB has them as well.


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Edited by rod222 - 04/30/2011 5:43 pm
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Posted 04/30/2011   5:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdnum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod222,

Oh... it's silk thread... My God!

Sorry and thank you Master Rod222!

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Posted 04/30/2011   6:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cancel is known as a start cancel or more properly a mill wheel cancel (German = Mühlradstempel). Sometimes called Nummernstempel in German also (for searching on ebay). The number is a town.

The list I have is incomplete and the numbers changed over the years. From 1 August 1850 until 20 November 1856 the number 211 is Mittenwald and 111 is Göllheim.

I see the 1862 on the back so perhaps my list is no good for this cancel. Nice to see a thread pulled out or worn away so you can see it.
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Posted 04/30/2011   6:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

No worries CDnum

Perhaps you can alter the thread title
to "silk inlay" to assist other students of these.?

GB stamps come under the general description
of "Dickinson paper" but I am not aware of
Bavaria, whether they used this paper
or not, the two look vastly different.

Dickinson Paper:
Named after its inventor, this paper, used for the Mulready and other envelopes, and in rare cases for adhesive stamps, has continuous silk threads embedded in it. A device intended as an obstacle to counterfeiters.

PS: Agree with Puzz, nice to see the thread isolated
and illustrated in your example.


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Edited by rod222 - 04/30/2011 6:16 pm
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Posted 05/01/2011   05:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdnum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

"Perhaps you can alter the thread title
to "silk inlay" "

I did it.

Thank you Rod222 and Puzzler for these explanations.

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Edited by cdnum - 05/01/2011 05:44 am
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Posted 05/01/2011   12:44 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Is silk inlay like that is something common?

First off ... awesome scan! I need to buy a scanner so badly!

Silk threads are the norm on early Bavaria like the one you linked. I don't know how long they were used, but all of my early "numeral" issues contain them.

What's unusual, is when they are not completely enclosed in the paper. They normally appear as a vertical line through the stamp.

The first time I saw one, I thought the stamp had been cut in half and reattached!

Here's one of the more extreme examples from my collection.





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Posted 05/01/2011   4:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice pics, thanks for sharing.

Do you get into the cancels or just the stamps?

Nice stamp too, except for the thread hanging out but that adds character!

I just have one damaged stamp so far so do not have many examples. Gathering info, planning my attack, .
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Posted 05/02/2011   09:26 am  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Puzzler,

I haven't made a concerted effort to classify my collection by cancels, but I have a lot of them. Perhaps when I have more time I'll get around to it. Say ... in about 25 years when I retire? :)
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