Germany 1923: Scott Catalogue Info Would Be Appreciated

I'm presently seeking to verify the facts about two Inflation-era German stamps. They are both 'durchstochen,' which means rouletted. They have perfs but they have a very distinctive appearance that makes it easy to tell them apart from regular perfs.

The Michel catalogue lists them as follows:

309 B P a 'mattkarminrot' - used CV 200 Euros
309 B P b 'bräunlichrot' - used CV 12,000 Euros.

The Infla website lists the same stamps with lower CV:

karminrot - used CV 70 Euros +
bräunlichrot - used CV 5,000 Euros +

The Infla website supplies images of the two stamps in unused condition:



To me, the difference seems to be between a stamp that is rose-pink (on the left) and what that is more vermilion (on the right).

If anyone reading this has access to the Scott (or any other catalogue, such as Gibbons) information about these two stamps I'd appreciate the catalogue numbers for both, the colour description for both, and the CV for both (in used condition).

My thanks to anyone who can help.

quick look
#269 scotts 2008 cat/ a. rose red $1.25 used .25 unused
b. carmine rose $2850.00
#277 scotts 2008 cat/ 13 1/2 roulette $125.00 USED .45 UNUSED

dont take my word for it though...i was in a hurry


David

Thanks, David, #269a and #269b would appear to be the same stamps.

That said, $2850 is a long way down from 7000 Euros!

269..............a35 2 mil on 200m
277..............a35 2 mil on 200m
heres the page

remember...this is from a 2008 catalog

Thanks so much, David. If I read the catalogue entry correctly, Michel 309 B P a is Scott #277 (rose red), used CV $125, which is basically consistent with the Michel/Infla figures. However, 309 B P b does not appear to be listed at all.

Scott Classic lists 277 rose red as serrate roulette 13.5. No subtypes.

269 rose red, 269b carmine rose (a surcharged Sc#230) and 269c (same carmine rose, but watermark sideways) are all listed as perf 14. (There is not a 269a in my Scott Classic.)

you must notice that your stamps are a35...solid center with detailed perimeter,
easy to get confused witht the pages l;ayed out the way they are.
309 is an a39

Interestingly the Michel general catalogue for Germany also only lists 309 A B P (Scott #277), giving a CV of 200 Euros (used). You have to have the Michel specialised to find out that there are two varieties of the rouletted stamp. It would seem that the other variety is considered too rare to list in general catalogues.

Now Michel 309 A B P b could be Scott #269b. However, if this is the case, Scott has made a mistake, because 309 A B P b is rouletted, as the Infla illustration shows. Scott#269b appears to be regular perfs.

Wow this one is confusing. I just dug out the examples I have that are all in the auction I have listed. There appears to be very slight shade differences but I havn't checked perfs nor watermarks. Never seen that type of roulleting , only the rough types. So what exactly is it that has the michel specialized one valued so high?

in my scotts catalogue 2008, the 309 has a spider web sort of center art,
where the a35 matches the images the OP started with.
David

nitrolures, generally speaking, all of the inflation era surcharges which exist in rouletted (durchstochen) form - B varieties in the Michel catalogue - are worth a little more than the regularly perforated stamps, and far more if used.

The exception to this generalisation are the 400 thousand surcharges, which are only found on the 'durchstochen' stamps. These are listed by Michel as only 6 Euros (used).

David, take a look at the Infla page for this issue to clarify the essential details:

http://philadb.com/?site=list&catid...d=484&id=678

nitrolures, your 7th stamp (third in the centre row) is durchstochen. It's unused, though, so only listed by Michel at 0.90 Euro MNH or 0.20 MH.

Is the used vs unused extreme differences due to how fast denominations and areas changed thus making stock piles of mint that were no longer usuable? I'm sure there are reasons per area and era but in general for germany it seems the rule rather than exception.

During the Inflation-era they were literally churning out higher and higher denominations as fast as they could make them.

But it wasn't long before the currency was stabilised and there was no longer a use for these high denomination stamps. They were turned into (mostly) worthless rubbish overnight. The new definitives issued on December 1, 1923, had pfenning values (3 to 100) - a long way from billions of marks!

That said, today even the MNH inflation-era stamps have CVs above the minimum. It's the hinged ones that are (usually) worth nothing.

You're absolutely right Nitro most of these stamps had a very short in use period
which accounted for the rarity in used visa vis unused/mint.

Even if you find a used one, the post mark date has to be legible
and it has to be expertized before it's worth big bucks.

That's why 99.9 % of that inflation era stuff is as the German
collectors say Massenware which basically means its worthless.