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Can Anyone Identify These Stamps? (Poland/Panama/Philippines

 
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Posted 06/10/2011   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jimjamtwo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
These are some stamps I can't identify or haven't been able to find in my Scott (2009). Any assistance with IDs is greatly appreciated.

(1) Poland?


(2) Presumably Poland:


(3) Philippines:


(4) Philippines (is this the way the overprint should look?):


(5) Panama airmail surcharge:

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Posted 06/10/2011   11:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have my catalog with me but the Panama stamp is overprinted for Air Mail service. I think it was issued in 1968, but not positive. Maybe someone has a catalog handy.
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Posted 06/10/2011   11:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The top two look Polish (Poczta, Groszy).
The overprint on #4 is an Official Business.
I don't have a P catalogue for specific numbers.
sorry
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Posted 06/10/2011   12:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The second stamp 6 grozy is a Polish local
featuring the mermaid vignette from 1806 arms of warsaw.
The apparent black ink in the centre of the CDS is a real curiosity.
...on closer look, looks like the mermaid again,
perhaps part of the cds.

3rd stamp=
SG0869 (1961) T0147 20c 0n 25c surcharge [0m1] luna

4th stamp=
SGO0668 (1948) T0125 01c on 02c official [0m1] rizal

5th stamp (subject to confirmation)
SG974 (1964)10c on 5c surcharge type 244




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Posted 06/10/2011   1:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbcev80 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi jimjamtwo

The Panama stamp is Scott C298, .20 Mint and Used in 2002 catalog.

If you look at Panama 433-434 and look at each airmail item in the reference footnote below the set you will eventually find the overprinted stamp.

In general, if a Latin America stamp has Aereo overprinted, regardless of a value, start looking for the regular issue stamp and when found look at the references below the regular issue stamp or set. This is not totally foolproof. There are regular issue stamps that were not issued without any overprints.

I will say that there are times one "cannot see the forest for the trees".

Jerry B
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Posted 06/10/2011   8:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the comments, everyone.

I've been able to learn something about the two Polish locals from this website.

http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol2.../polaloc.htm

Stamp (2) is a Warsaw local. Klaseboer rates the stamp with this overprint as common.

Stamp (1) is a Zarkach local. Klaseboer rates this stamp as uncommon, but adds the following note. 'Warning: Many forgeries exist! It seems that only 5000 of these stamps were issued (most of the above stamps are probably forgeries!). In the genuine stamps the 'r' and the 'k' in 'Zarkach' should not touch each other. The genuine stamps should be perforated 11 1/2. The genuine stamps don't exist imperforated!' By these criteria, the stamp shown is authentic.

Another website:

http://home.golden.net/~medals/locals.html

gives a longer list of characteristics distinguishing originals from forgeries. I'm still working my way through them!

These are 8 ways in which forgeries of Zarki stamps differ from the genuine stamps:
1. Forgery has 2 rows of white bricks; Genuine has 3 rows.
2. Forgery has crescent in window @ 9 o'clock position; Genuine closer to 8 o'clock.
3. Forgery has the left person in the "group of 3" appearing shorter than the other 2;
Genuine- all in the group are roughly the same height.
4. Forgery has the r & k in "Zarkach" touching; Genuine does not have the r & k touching.
5. Forgery has the tree tops appearing heavy; Genuine has tree tops appearing light & whispy.
6. Forgeries come perf and imperf; Genuine exist only perf 11 1/2.
7. Forgeries are mainly uncancelled; Genuine exist cancelled and uncancelled.
8. Forgeries usually have paper that does not fluoresce under black light; Genuine paper fluoresces.

Regarding stamp (4) what I'm wondering is if the final '0' for Centavo is correct. Scott shows an image of this overprint on another stamp and it's an 'o' at the end, not an '0.'



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Posted 06/10/2011   11:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've reviewed my "Poland Locals 1918", by Barefoot.
The Zarki issue above is a forgery.

The forgery has heavier shading on the cloud where the cloud meets the sky.

The center circular window over the church door is in a crescent laying on its back from the 6-9 o'clock position on the genuine.
The forgery the crescent is standing from about 7.5-10.5 0'clock position.

The tree in the genuine copy is lighter at the top & the wagon below the tree is darker shaded. On the forgery the tree top is darker while the wagon is brighter.

The wagon at the lower left corner in the genuine copy is brighter & clearer, while the forgery is dark & difficult to see.

The 2 wagons at the lower right corner of the genuine copy has a narrow line dividing them, while the forgery has a wide heavily shade area.

The letters are sharper & clearer in the forgery.
On the genuine copy the 'r' & 'k' do touch.

All genuine copies are perf 11.5.
All genuine proof copies are imperf.

Forged copies were produced in 1928 by S. Abramson.

The stamp depicts the Zarki Catholic Church.
The population of Zarki was estimated at around 1000.
Stamps 1st issued on Oct. 10, 1918, those were overprinted with a surcharge doubling the postal rates on Oct. 18, the on Oct. 24, new issue reflecting the rate change replaced the need for overprinted issues. Then on Oct. 24, the post was closed.

Estimates in Barefoot states the 95% of all stamps in a general collections are forgeries & it is believed that there is only about 300 genuine surviving copies.

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Posted 06/11/2011   12:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Warsaw stamp was issued on Feb. 2, 1916 & is listed in Barefoot as 10a, 10b & 10c. The difference is in color variations.

10a Dull green & brownish yellow
10b Dull green & buff
10c Bright green & pale yellow
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Posted 06/11/2011   12:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Philipines stamps are Scott 830 & O56.
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Posted 06/11/2011   12:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I've reviewed my "Poland Locals 1918", by Barefoot.


That's probably one that would be nice to have...great information.
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Posted 06/11/2011   12:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I worked out that it was a forgery. However, the 'r' and the 'k' do not touch. This means that this 'rule' is not valid as a means of distinguishing between originals and forgeries.
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Posted 06/11/2011   01:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
jimjamtwo, Per Barefoot the forgery 'r' & 'k' do NOT touch, while the genuine one's do touch


PS value of forgery is still $2. per stamp used or mint.
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Posted 06/11/2011   01:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
warrehouse, thanks so much for the info.

I'm sure Barefoot is right about the 'r' and the 'k' touching. I found an expertised example of this stamp online and that was the case with that stamp.

UPDATE: For those interested in Polish stamps, this is a website well worth looking at:

http://www.stampspoland.nl/
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Edited by jimjamtwo - 06/11/2011 10:00 am
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Posted 06/11/2011   10:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A huge amount of info on your 2nd stamp can be found here.

http://www.ekpv.nl/verzamelingwarsawtownpost.pdf
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