Sudan Military Telegraph Stamps - Need Help Identifying

The Sudan Military Telegraphs are now listed in the 2013 Gibbons Part 1. However, don't let your expectations run out of control. Prices for used halves, like Jubilee's example above, generally range from 50p to (exceptionally) £2.50. No round-the-world cruises from this lot, I fear.

I'm still not sure WHY they're listed, but at least it clarifies that retirement has been deferred. Again.

tonymacg, out of curiosity, does SG give much of a premium for the star crescent watermark 2p, or list the June, 1898 10p Egyptian crescent and star?

The Egyptian watermark 10p. is now SG T10: £60 for a mint unsevered pair; £80 for a used unsevered pair, and £20 for a used single.

The 2p. is SG T14: £15, £20 and £2

Gibbons also lists SG 5 to 9 (the 5m to 10p SOUDAN overprints) handstamped TEL in an oval, in black and with better prices for blue.

Thank you very much for that update. It is nice to see that SG and Scott Classic are slowly adding content, and not just updating pricing.

The additional content will keep me buying one every couple years, in all likelihood. "Over 35,000 adjustments to values!" won't.

Someone pinch me!
Am I reading right

I have oodlies of these things, I thought they were like
cinderellas, no one wanted them.
So what do I have to do?
1. find them
2. look for the particular wmk?
I reckon I have 4 sets of unsevered pairs, and 20 singles
and this TEL one
(least I think it's mine)
The "marks" look dodgy to me, or perhaps I have been looking to
long at forgeries.

BTW : These are listed in Byrum

From my records
a mint unsevered set were passed in unsold on ebay 2007
for $24.99

But also, that same year
check out this doozy........

From a brit auction house
sale price unknown.

MILITARY TELEGRAPHS - PORTION OF A TELEGRAPH
FORM FRANKED WITH A TOTAL OF 172 ADHESIVES
CANCELLED WITH THE "EGYPTIAN CORPS" C.D.S.:1898
(15 July) (June?) A large portion of a telegraph form bearing
76 x 5m on one side and on the other side 96 x 5m adhesives
making a total of 172 examples. All with oval framed "TEL"
and large "ARMY/E - C/TELEGRAPH" c.d.s. of 15 June 1898
of the Egyptian Corps.

Getting a catalogue number from a major catalogue should help in creating interest among those who need that sort of thing for validation.

Probably will make it harder for those of us who like to find the "uncatalogued" gems, though. Instantly, thousands of more people have access to the information on the Egyptian watermark.

C.

Rod, your 3 Mil. overprint draws this comment from Gibbons: "Nos. 1, 3 and 4 (the 3 Mil.) are also known handstamped T T1, but their authenticity is in doubt." Obviously, then, you should flush it down the toilet.

That 5 Mil. handstamped TEL stamp is listed now as SG T1 (black overprint) at £2 used, or T1a (blue overprint) at £6 used. Goodness knows what the auction piece would go for now.

Thanks Tony,
looks like I am still the forgery magnet.
We are in the country, won't wast water on the fellow
he can remain and serve as a "bad example"

My records also include this query by rick scott
whether the opt was applied to sheets or the office

That look like a more genuine example

That example you show from Rick Scott looks very much more like the illustration in Gibbons than the 3 Millième example of yours, Rod. In the Gibbons illustration, the T is noticeably longer than the E and the middle bar of the E is slightly low. On the strength of that, I'd say your example is a forgery.

Gibbons also notes that the 1884 British Bechuanaland Military Telegraph stamps were used in Sudan from March to May 1885. However, as the blessed things used in Bechuanaland are catalogued at between £250 and £1200, heartiest congratulations to anyone who has a specimen used in the Sudan.

I know it has been a long time since the last post for this Topic, but I thought some of you might be interested to know that I have acquired a full sheet (60 stamps) of the 10 pi bisect Sudan telegraph stamp with the Egyptian watermark. At £60 a shot,...well you do the math. I've added a link to a photo of the back side of this sheet. BTW, I've been an active member of the Sudan Study Group for over 20 years and Sudan stamps are my forte. I'll be looking into getting these stamps certified. In the meantime I'm trying not to get too excited.

So Star and crescent watermark?
Egyptian paper perhaps?

Nice find none the less, I have half a dozen telegraph stamps from Sudan, my main interest is pre UAR Egypt!
I have the Khedive issue with the "Soudan" OP but no way to know if they are genuine!
Lovely first post and welcome to the Forum!

Yes, nice post.
Please let us know the results.
May we have an image of the front of the multiple please?

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As requested, I have attached a photo of the front of the stamps in question, as well as an example of the same value with the Sudan version of the Star & Crescent.
BTW, the watermark is definitely Egyptian Star & Crescent, and you will see that the crescents run in a straight line and parallel to the adjacent line. The Sudan version are positioned in a staggered manner.
As another member pointed out above, roughly 30,000 of these were printed but somehow disappeared along the way, leaving less than 20 know specimens (until now).
By the way, I specialize in SOUDAN overprints on the provisional Egyptian stamps, so if you want to know whether it is real or forged, please feel free to ask.