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Posted 09/16/2011   3:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jhlovell to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I found the ware orphan stamps in the BOB that are similar, but this value is not listed. Is this a forgery or am I missing something? Please help. Thanks in advance - Jeff

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Posted 09/16/2011   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Turkey #B8 in the Scott catalog.

Scott does a poor job of putting proper "spacing" between subsections in their semi-postal listings for Turkey. It causes a lot of confusion.
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Posted 09/16/2011   3:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jeff,

This is SG 617 / Scott #B8.
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Nigel and I have talked about this before (not sure here or another forum), so I'll clarify before the inevitable question pops up.

There should be a spacing gap between #B6 and #B7-B10 in the Scott catalog listing. The additional overprint that looks like bull horns only appears on #B6. Scott puts the listings so close, almost everybody automatically assumes that #B7-#B10 also have that additional overprint. Actually, the listing for the additional overprints on those denominations is in the NEXT section, #B11-#B13.

Why doesn't Scott correct this after so long? Because it's more fun to confuse the hell out of collectors. Also, be aware there are a few errors scattered throughout the Turkey listings, so be prepared to do some head-scratching.
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Posted 09/16/2011   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Beaten again by k! But at least we agreed.
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Posted 09/16/2011   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That IS confusing.

After looking the Turkey semipostal section over (2011 Scott Classic Specialized),it is finally apparent that Scott has ordered the stamps initially by year (1908,1909,1913 etc). Then WITHIN the year,by overprint and by additional overprint. It would not be clear at all on first inspection. Thanks for the warning khj and nigelc.
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Edited by Jkjblue - 09/16/2011 5:41 pm
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Beaten again by k!

Yes, but if anyone is keeping score, you're ahead by a ratio of ten to one.

In the main listings for Turkey, there are a few "see also..." footnotes which either have the incorrect catalog numbers or are incomplete. So don't be surprised if you run into a few postage stamps which don't seem to be listed. They usually are -- it's just the footnotes were not updated correctly.
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Posted 09/16/2011   6:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Jkjblue,

In my Scott 2009 the structure of the Semi-postals #B1-#B45 is:

Crescent and six-pointed star overprint in red
-- On stamps of 1905
-- On stamps of 1906
-- On stamps of 1908
---- With "B" overprint
-- On stamps of 1909
---- With "B" overprint
-- On stamps of 1913
---- With "B" overprint
-- On newspaper stamps of 1908
-- On newspaper stamps of 1909
Crescent and five-pointed star overprint in red
-- On stamps of 1901
-- On stamps of 1905
-- On stamps of 1906
-- On stamps of 1908
---- With "B" overprint
-- On stamps of 1909
---- With "B" overprint
-- On stamps of 1913
---- With "B" overprint
-- On newspaper stamps of 1901
Crescent and five-pointed star overprint in black and 10pi surcharge
-- On stamps of 1899
-- On stamps of 1905
-- On stamps of 1906
-- On newspaper stamps of 1893
Crescent and five-pointed star overprint in black
-- On stamps of 1916




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Edited by nigelc - 09/16/2011 7:19 pm
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...Semi-postals #B31-#B45

Nigel, did you mean #B1-#B45?

Great list! Thanks for taking the time to show the correct structure.
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Posted 09/16/2011   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes indeed Kim. Thanks.

I've corrected my post and I'm off to bed.
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After looking the Turkey semipostal section over (2011 Scott Classic Specialized),it is finally apparent that Scott has ordered the stamps initially by year (1908,1909,1913 etc). Then WITHIN the year,by overprint and by additional overprint. It would not be clear at all on first inspection.


My (wrong) quote above

Thanks for the clarification nigelc. The Scott FIRST lists (illustrates) an overprint,then by year*, and if necessary an additional overprint (illustration) WITHIN the year.

(*Except Newspaper stamps are listed after regular stamps within a certain overprint, and listed by year.)

Then they list another overprint, then by year etc.

Got it!
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