Se Tenants

Got this idea for this thread from Sue Stamps asking her questions.
It is a kind hard to scan the connected stamps.

Here a two connected stamps












and three

so, one more question.

These two examples are both Se-Tenants? There is no difference in
between stamps being connected to make a picture to just different stamps being connected?

fifia,

First Post.

First item is a Se-tenant Pair of composite design.
2nd and 3rd items are Se-Tenant Pairs
4th item looks like a Se-Tenant Triptic [I cannot quite see if the middle one is actually a stamp or label]
Items 5 and 6 are Se-Tenant Gutter pairs. [or Label pairs as they are sometimes referred to]

2nd post

First item is a Se-Tenant Block of 4
Second item is a Se-Tenant block of 4 of composite design.

Now you understand clearly.....don't you ?

Confusingbus1

Not that I disagree with what is stated as a "Composite Se-Tenant", but how would you describe this sheetlet of 10 stamps?



It is understood that all 10 stamps make up the composite image of the sheetlet. However, some stamps are perforated individually and others have connection to the stamp next to it (above it) but not all of the perforations match to call it a true se-tenant. The boxes drawn in this example show one pair of stamps where the red box shows the vertical perforation separating two stamps and the yellow box shows the horizontal perforation.

Here's a close-up:

OK, Confusingbus, thanks. I think I got it:

Se-Tenant pair of composite design










Se-Tenant pair




and Se-Tenant Block of 4




and Se-Tenant Gutter pair




Thank you....

Your next to the last scan with the 8-cent US Airmail stamps could arguably be a se-tenant because of the Use ZIP Code label, but just bear in mind that it's only a partial block of stamps taken from a booklet pane of 5 stamps + label as shown here:



In this case, if the label wasn't included, the stamps wouldn't be se-tenant as they are of the same design.

Interesting thread.
wt1 is right. The US Air Mail 'block' would not be Se-Tenant as the stamps are the same.
As far as I understand, the term Se-Tenant only applies to stamps and not to any adjoining labels,Tabs or selvedge.

But what do we call the sheet shown by wt1 ? Maybe 'Sheet of 10 of composite design'. But it sounds like there should be a bit more to it.

Two new items to think about

Londonbus1

fifia,

TWO CORRECTIONS!

The third item down on your first post is just a stamp with label, most likely part of a Se-Tenant Gutter pair.
So too the fourth item down [USSR] on your latest post.

The plot thickens

Wt1 if the 8c Air mail stamp and label count as Se-tenant, might that open a can of worms for decorative gutters.

Isn't it amazing that a seemingly simple topic can become complex fast?

finches,

What you show is a Se-Tenant Gutter Block [of 10]. The air mail part-pane includes an advertising label, not a gutter.

Your pane is made up of Gutter pairs.
But what if the stamps were not the same either side of the gutter ?
Would that be called something different?

What a topic this is turning out to be.
Any more examples folks ?

Keep 'em comin'

Londonbus1

Londonbus1, see the problem begins to escalate once a 'Label' is included with description 'Se-tenant'. Australia's Post(A.P.) description of Se-tenant only refers to - two different POSTAGE stamp designs next to each other".

A.P. makes it clear if a design is Se-tenant OR A Strip of Five etc etc in "Technical Information" of their quarterly released "Stamp Bulletin".

Here's a modern US stamp that is bound to raise a question or two about se-tenant stamps:



In this case, the stamps are offset so that a horizontal pair would not be se-tenant, but a vertical pair would. Likewise, for the the first and the last stamp of each row, there is a blank "gutter" between the stamps vertically ... BUT ... if you were to separate the stamps and gutter, you'd find that the stamps in each row have a common selvage, but the blank "gutter" does not, so if one were inclined to separate the stamps vertically at the far right (or far left) you'd have one smaller stamp, one oversized gutter, followed by one smaller stamp, something like this:



And that doesn't even address the unique concept that for this issue you can have a block of 3 stamps, yet only two vertical stamps are se-tenant!

Always fun to put an example like this into the discussion thread.

All of the stamp organizations I have been associated with define se-tenant as two stamps differing in design, denomination, or color. A label is not considered a qualifying stamp. So a booklet sheet, all of the same design, color and denomination with a label is NOT considered a se-tenant issue just as a zip block would not be considered so.

This link to a Linn's article on the subject may also be helpful:

http://www.linns.com/howto/refreshe...rcourse.aspx

Note the new terms they use such as "triptych" for a 3-design se-tenant; and "quadripartition" for the 2-cent Cape Hatteras block shown earlier in this thread.

[edit] Noted within this article is that Linn's does consider a booklet stamp of the same design with a label as se-tenant. Interesting.

To use the terms noted in the previous Linn's article, this example would be referred to as a "triptych" (3 stamps across making one design):



No mention is made of four stamps across, though. Would this be a "quadtych"?