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Posted 11/24/2011   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add fifia to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The idea for this thread comes from Jkjblue

I hope he does not mind me starting this thread. Same stamp with
burelage

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Burelage (French: burelage)[1], also burelé, is a French term referring to an intricate network of fine lines, dots or other designs printed over or as the background of some postage or revenue stamps to prevent counterfeiting.






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Posted 11/24/2011   09:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a prior thread on the moire overprints on British Honduras during World War I:

https://goscf.com/t/7234

This is one example from that thread:



That was Scott MR1, and here is MR2, with no overprint. (MR3 tags along for the ride)



In case someone doesn't want to click through to another thread, the short story is that these were overprinted for the treacherous journey to British Honduras during World War I. If they fell into enemy hands, they could be demonetized, and then postmasters would be told not to accept any moire-overprinted stamps.

Do I have that right?
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Posted 11/24/2011   09:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen examples of these types, but it's the first time I have heard of the term "burelage" to describe them. We learn something new everyday on SCF!

Is it reasonable to assume that today's modern stamps with microprinting (also an anti-counterfeiting technique) have effectively replaced burelage stamps as a less costly alternative?
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Posted 11/24/2011   10:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There are some examples of "points up" and "points down" at this thread...not a ton of eye candy, but a little bit:
https://goscf.com/t/8616
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Posted 11/24/2011   10:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cjd

...not trying to be picky ...but do we have a stamp from Honduras without the burelage? I check my stamps.

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Posted 11/24/2011   10:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Estonia 1928-40 1s dark gray on blue network & 20s slate blue on red network "Arms"

These stamps were printed on "paper with network" according to Scott.
But it also fits the definition of burelage.
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Edited by Jkjblue - 11/24/2011 10:50 am
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Posted 11/24/2011   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why, fifia, whatever do you mean?


(Pay no attention to the "edited by...at..." notes.)
I'm hungry...pass the popcorn...who's got the remote?
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Posted 11/24/2011   10:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
sorry, I am also cooking a turkey!

Was it there?


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Posted 11/24/2011   10:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That depends on what you mean by "was"

Good luck with the bird.
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Posted 11/24/2011   10:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod started a Stamp Security Devices thread with some really sharp scans, and anyone interested in this burelage topic will want to have seen that thread, too:

https://goscf.com/t/7397

Plus, it might give ideas for finding with/without examples for this thread.
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Posted 11/24/2011   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jkjblue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
..not trying to be picky ...but do we have a stamp from Honduras without the burelage? I check my stamps.




Slightly different angle pic which shows off the moire overprint on the 5c British Honduras a bit better. Note the 3c does not have the moire overprint.

From Linn's.com definitions:

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Moire (pronounced mo-RAY) — A fine network pattern of intricate lines overprinted on stamps to prevent counterfeiting or unauthorized use.


My understanding is moire was overprinted on the stamp, while burelage, which can include overprinting, additionally includes "security paper" that had the lines already printed, then the stamp image was impressed.
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Posted 11/24/2011   10:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

20 Mk. Peschl BPP (double signed), "BARMEN 2/2.10.22" expertised Infla Berlin certificate Winkler BPP (1998): "Michel no. 196 is double printing, particularly in canceled condition, exceptionally rare" plowman canceled with double burelage, perfect.Certificate Dr. Oechsner BPP (2003): "the rare test part is in perfect quality."Michel, 5.000.-- item piece of this stamp in attractive and fault-free condition!



20 Mark plowman with a double burelage perfectly mint never hinged with top margin (flat), certificate Oechsner BPP: "The condition is perfect." Michel 3500,--


The above info is from a German website.
________________________________________________________________

.. and here is what I have?



mint, back damaged by being hinged



This one, not hinged but missing perfs on the side. (will knock a few
dollars of the sales price! )

and as always getting so close to the million dollar stamp!

Have to go into the kitchen, see you tonight..




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Posted 11/24/2011   7:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Kuhli,
nice stamps, you nailed it...

This is what I found from France, there is no un-burelaged version.


This is Pierre Gaston Stalins of the Institute of engraving, private company, introduced in January 1936, a process intended to deter counterfeiting, this is a security burelage applied flat on the stamp.
The burelage is in reality a guillochétechnique(?) still used for many edges of sheets of stamps.

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Posted 11/24/2011   7:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Excuse my scepticism, but the German 20 mark ploughman,
surely that is not "burelage" ?
This stamp is a bi-colour and exists with inverted background colour,
but this is not classed as burelage AFAIK
I am fairly certian of this, but happy to stand corrected.
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Posted 11/24/2011   9:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fifia to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Rod,
the info on the German stamp comes from a website. Maybe
someone can clarify.
Also I checked your thread for samples but could not find any
of Russian regular stamp. They must only be burelage editions.
Thanks,

Fifia
Burelage, Burelé, Burlage: (Fr., Sp.) a fine overall network of dots or lines printed on the surface of stamps in addition to the stamps design; was usually done to discourage counterfeiting
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