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Australia Postal Marking Ctms/T (1937)

 
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Posted 12/05/2011   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wt1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A stamp and a postmark cut from an envelope that contains a postal marking:

CTMS [edited to read "C"TMS (not "G"TMS)]
T

Any idea what that abbreviation means? Is it some sort of a postage due designation? It appears as though the cover was originally intended to be sent to Bridgeton, NJ (USA).

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Posted 12/05/2011   2:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

A Tasmanian Tax Marking

CTMS / T

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Posted 12/06/2011   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could this be a form of a "Postage Due" or "Penalty" marking?

Usually, the letter "T" denoted this for many countries. Just a wild guess.

Chimo

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Posted 12/06/2011   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postage due, Bujutsu.
not much information getting around on this one
a specialty aux marking, probably need a dedicated Tasmanian Cat.
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Posted 12/06/2011   7:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do we have any members of the British Society of Australian Philately? If anyone has these resources available, perhaps he or she could take a peek?

"Tasmania: The CTMS/T Tax Markings," Reid, Patrick, BSAP Bulletin, Vol. 52 No. 2, April 1997, pp. 46-55.

"The CTMS/T Tax Marks of Tasmania: Further Information," Lacey, Malcolm and Patrick Reid, BSAP Bulletin, Vol. 52 No. 6, December 1997, 165-167.

"The CTMS/T Tax Marks of Tasmania," Reid, Patrick, BSAP Bulletin, Vol. 58 No. 5, October 2003, pp. 158-160.
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Posted 12/07/2011   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, a couple easier ones...anyone have American Philatelist April 1967 or March 1968? Both of those are supposed to have articles that should also be on point.

Anyone?
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Posted 12/07/2011   02:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was assuming it was an acronym, but it appears it may be an abbreviation for "centimes." Postal authorities converted their country's currency to gold centimes to calculate postage due in centimes.

Perhaps that will scare up some better search results while we wait for one of the five articles listed above.
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Posted 12/08/2011   5:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm pretty sure the 16 2/3 in pencil alongside is the amount due in Gold Centimes. The conversions did throw up strange amounts like that.
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Posted 12/08/2011   5:57 pm  Show Profile Check Rileysan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Rileysan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Was it common for commemoratives to be issued prior to the date being commemorated? It's a little strange seeing a 3 Dec, 1937 CDS on a 1938 commemorative.
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Posted 12/08/2011   6:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That stamp was issued October 1, 1937, so this isn't even an early use.
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Posted 04/24/2014   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Physdoc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a tax marking applied at Launceston Tasmania. It is an abbreviation for "Centimes Tax(e)". This particular handstamp originally read 10/CTMS/T and was cut down in the 1920s to remove the '10' which no longer had a use. The 162/3 in manuscript is the tax due in centimes and represents a deficiency of 1d in postage (rate to USA was 3d up to 1oz)doubled to include the penalty and converted to 162/3 centimes at the prevailing ate of 1d=81/3 centimes. This would have probably been converted to 4 cents US at 5 centimes = 1c and rounded up.
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Posted 04/24/2014   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wt1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seems like a lot of math to do only to arrive at the end total of 4-cents (US)!
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Posted 05/12/2014   10:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
French currency was used as the standard measure internationally for taxed items. I have a cover from 1961 which has the tax assessed in centimes.
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Posted 05/13/2014   12:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, not French currency. The currency was a notional Gold Franc; purely hypothetical. It may once have been linked to the French currency - though I would have thought the Swiss Franc more likely - but by the 60s, it was certainly not related to the Old or New French Franc.
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Posted 05/13/2014   6:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
According to this blog post, the system we are talking about ended in 1965:

"The Vienna U.P.U. Congress of 1964, which was implemented 1st January 1966, abandoned the use of gold centimes for tax markings and calculations for surcharged mail. Instead the country of origin was to mark a fraction next to the usual T-mark."

http://www.nswtaxmarks.com/?p=501
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