Canada Small Queen #37 3c Montreal And Ottawa Printings I.d.

Here are two examples of #37, the so-called Montreal and first Ottawa printings. The colour is described in Scott as "orange red" and closely matches the orange-red in my Gibbons colour guide.

Left: Ottawa: Plate Guide dot in lower left, perf 12 x 12, white paper
Right: Montreal: Plate guide dot, perf 12 x 12, yellow low quality paper







#41, the second Ottawa printing is often confused with #37, but the colour is bright vermilion, and never has the guide dots.

Here is a good exampse of a #41:



Link to SCF I.D. thread:
https://goscf.com/t/17809#160151

BeeSee: your St. Therese, Quebec, cancel evoked a Forest Gump moment for me. I was in the hole the morning after the Trans-Canada Airlines (TCA) Flight 831 DC8 crash many years ago (see link below).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-...s_Flight_831

Cynical, thank you very much for that link ! I worked for many years at Dorval airport and love anything historical regarding airlines. I was not even aware of this crash.

Beesee. Thank you for the clear comparison on those often confusing stamps

Well I hope I am correct! I am just learning these

BeeSee, are all the Ottawa second printing whitout any guide dot?

Koala, yes, that is how I understand it from what I have been reading.

Nice display Bee See. Good stuff.

And nice naming of the photos also! I noticed when I saved them!

Don't stop there we need more! I just picked up 6 copies that are reportedly either copper or Indian red. Now I see oxidization as was discussed and experimented with in another thread but when I took the scan and seperated each one 2 came up as perf 12.5 on the perfomaster so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Once they arrive I will add some info here and hopefully we can have a one stop reference for this issue. Here are the individual pics from the sellers original scan of 6 .
Notice on a couple you can see the lighter orange through the oxidation but at least a a few seem to have very even color.

Nitro, I would not rely only on the perfomaster, though I like it. The Copper/Indian stamps would have the lower left dots. The 96 year on the 5th stamp make it generally too late for copper/indian.

All stamps appear to be oxidized #41. I read somewhere #37 never oxidizes

I downloaded your stamps and superimposed them on my #41 above and the perfs are exactly lined up, so appear to be perf 12.

Well if all else fails we may see another peroxide experiment x6 . The whole perfmaster thing is deceiving depending on scan DPI . Most had odd numbers on each side ranging from 11.xx-12.yy but tops and bottoms and lefts and rights did not match so I will not rely on it. Main point is by paying attention to your original post and the positioning dots would have eliminated the thought of 37's. Curiosity -- would each stamp have the position dots or would it only be for example the outside rows to allign the plate? If only I had a full sheet to look at.

Nitro, Plate dots are in lower left margin on all stamps (#37) except those in the first vertical row. The sheets were 10 x 10 for 100 stamps.

So yes, 10% have no dots. But shades and paper are supposed to distinguish those.

I just won a no-dot #37 on ebay, the scan looks good but I will have to wait until I see the stamp in person to be sure. It cost a whopping $2.00.

Here is the image of the #37 I wugged off of ebay for $2. Like I said, I don't have it in person yet.

Note the 1892 year date - 3 years after the start of the second Ottawa printings, so it remains to be seen...

BeeSee: any idea as to what the town cancel is?

Cynical, I THINK it is Glenngarry, Ontario, on the St. Lawrence River between Montreal and Cornwall.

Guessing on my part but could it be Glen Walter in that area, which I believe had a post office.