Canada Small Queen #37 3c Montreal And Ottawa Printings I.d.

So BeeSee...This #37 is in the 10% you are talking about...???

Wert, that looks like a 41 , bright vermilion. The date seems to be 1896.

Thanks BeeSee...Shows you how much I know about stamps...

Oddly enough without searching I came across this listing. I can't see guide dot but cancel may be blocking it. None the less does 12.5x 12.5 automatically make this a 37? Not the best pics but if that is true copper it makes a decent reference
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-VF-C...em27c232bb99
AND ANOTHER FROM SAME SELLER
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CANADA-F-VF...em27c2359750

That is an interesting question nitrolures...If so, I will have to revisit my own stamps.

That ebay copper red lot has a very good image, I was able to bring it into AutoCAD for an accurate perforation measurement.

It measures 12.41 x 12.44 which rounds up to 12.5 x 12.5. It does appear as the real deal, but I was under the impression that copper red was darker. It looks more rose to me. However, the scan may distort the colour. To bad the perforations are bad on the lower right.

The cancel appears to be 1870, but is hard to tell.

I "borrowed" the image:



As far as I know, only 37d exists with 12.5 x 12.5. The lower left dot may be covered by the cancel.

From Wikipedia (and crayola) this is Copper Red:



Vermillion:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_%28color%29

It does look pretty close to the stamp colour.

Edit: Added Vermillion

I always have trouble with color swatches and match ups- Even with a known carmine when I look at the color tab it just doesn't seem to look same as the stamp. Probably due to the paper showing through the engraving lines and making it seem a lighter shade than what the actual ink is. Still waiting on those oxidized ones to arrive and I may dive into a peroxide experiment with all 6 for educational purposes.

Went through my 30+ pairs of the 3 centers just looking for guide dots. Surprised only one other pair had them. What really made me go hmmm is this pair. Now my guess leaning towards the simple answer is just due to wear the left hand dot has been rubbed off, but it does open for other possibilities. Also paid closer attention and there has to be at least 3-4 paper types.

nitrolures

There goes my theory out the door about perforations only...Obviously both pairs of your stamps have the same perforation and same colour, but one has a dot and not the other...If the left one is NOT worn off as you suggested, then how in the heck can one tell a #37 from a #41 and be sure...???

Bee See has opened the door now we all must put our heads together and walk through. I was completely content with the guide dot -10% for top row as a great starting point but now I'm unsure myself.
Here are the 2 scans of pairs to help or confuse.

nitrolures...Very nice collection of stamps.

Let me through a horse shoe into the mix..Below is (I think) a Scott #35a or #35ii....But it to has a dot...So does a dot on a #41 make it a #37...

Bee See has already explained how the no dot / dot pair can happen above.

All the stamps in the left hand vertical strip of 10 stamps in a pane of 100 stamps has no dots.

So this pair has the left stamp as a left margin stamp (further shown by the wider margin on the left, and the right stamp being one in the second row in.

edit: I now see that Bee See mistakenly called columns rows. Vertical rows are indeed really columns.

nitrolures:

Re: plates that had position dots in the lower left corner

Stamps from the left hand column on the plate did not have position dots, as evidenced by your pair.

More importantly, the vertical alignment of your two stamps is different. One good reason (in this case) of not splitting multiples of these early stamps.

There are several examples of this (misaligned impressions) on other Small Queen values.

For some reason I was thinking the top row of 10 not the left side. I noticed the mis alignment also . Is there specific plating references for the allignment issue. There are so many variables with this one denomination that simplifying the differences between the 37 and 41 is a science.
Wert you threw a banana in the box of oranges with that 1 cent. However unrelated that is a nice shade compared to the pale yellows. To answer your question there can be no 41 with a guide dot. However there can be a 37 with no dot. If my pair were split although it would be difficult to tell the one with no dot is still a 37.