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Canada Small Queen #37 3c Montreal And Ottawa Printings I.d.

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Posted 02/07/2012   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
nitrolures...This is getting too confusing for me, so I will back out of this post before I embarrass myself any more and let you experts come to a final conclusion (But, I will be watching in the background).
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Posted 02/08/2012   12:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for correcting me Puzzler; left vertical column is correct. I said vertical row ...

Sorry for the confusion.
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Posted 02/08/2012   12:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice pair Nitro!
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Posted 02/08/2012   08:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add studystamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The book Canada's Postage Stamps of the Small Queen Era, 1870-1897, uses the terminology "vertical row" to refer to what I would normally call a "column".
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Posted 02/08/2012   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Studystamps- Does that book have color illustrations /varieties . Sounds like that would be the small queen bible and may be the one to have.
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Posted 02/08/2012   11:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a review on the small queens book:

http://greenefoundation.ca/Arfken-SQs-Review.html

Plus ordering; it is not cheap!

http://greenefoundation.ca/publications.html

It seems that the small queen "experts" are not internet-savy, as very little information is available online. This forum seems to now be the top source for sharing small queen information, and believe me I have searched.

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Posted 02/08/2012   11:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add studystamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is full colour (or at least 99.9%).

Here is the table of contents:


Chapter One: The Printers 1
Historical background -- formation of the British American Bank Note Company
-- the printing contract proposals and counter-proposals -- Large and Small Queen characteristics -- printing locations chronology -- the printer's competition

Chapter Two: Preparation of the Series 9
The design -- production steps from master die to finished sheet -- plate layouts
-- imprints -- glossary of terms used to describe plate varieties -- papers -- watermarks
-- inks -- gum -- perforations and background development

Chapter Three: Essays and Proofs 27
The 1868 trade sample sheet -- essays & proofs -- listings and explanation of the different terms -- specimens -- defaced plates -- unofficial "essays"

Chapter Four: Ottawa 1870–1873 37
The 1867 Post Office Act -- expansion of the Dominion -- the first Small Queens: colours, shades perforations, paper, gum, and major re-entries -- the removal to Montreal

Chapter Five: Montreal 1873–1889 49
Developments in the postal service -- the 1875 Post Office Act -- new Small Queen values and one Large Queen -- the General Postal Union -- shades, perforations, paper, gum, and plates -- varieties -- bisects -- back to Ottawa

Chapter Six: Ottawa 1889–1897: The Final Stages 59
The rate changes of 1889 and 1893 -- amendments to registration rules -- new values
-- shades, perforations, paper, gum, plates -- varieties -- imperforates -- specimens
-- bisects -- the finale

Chapter Seven:
The Canada Bank Note Engraving & Printing Company Essays 71
Rationale and history -- competition with the British American Bank Note Co. -- die and plate essays

Chapters Eight to Seventeen include tables of the plates used, and describe the characteristics, perforations in chronological order, paper, number issued, uses, proofs, shades, and known, major varieties.

Chapter Eight: The Half Cent Value of 1882 81
Aspects and main uses of Canada's smallest postage stamp issued to date -- perforation problems peculiar to the value

Chapter Nine: The One Cent Value of 1870 89
Thorough analysis of the first Small Queen designed -- the "Strand of Hair" varieties, etc.

Chapter Ten: The Two Cents Value of 1872 103
In-depth examination of the denomination -- the "latent entries"

Chapter Eleven: The Three Cents Value of 1870 117
Details the first issued Small Queen

Chapter Twelve: The Five Cents Large Queen Value of 1875 131
The emergency issue -- why it was issued

Chapter Thirteen: The Five Cents Value of 1876 137
The "Preferred Rate" stamp

Chapter Fourteen: The Six Cents Value of 1872 147
Possibly the most enigmatic of all the Small Queens - the "A" plate controversy
-- the Five Cents/Six Cents varieties -- the major re-entries, etc.

Chapter Fifteen: The Eight Cents Value of 1893 171
Its dual purpose -- puzzling aspects of the value and its four plates

Chapter Sixteen: The Ten Cents Value of 1874 179
The colourful value!

Chapter Seventeen: The Twenty Cents and Fifty Cents Values of 1893 189
Basis of the design, etc.

Chapter Eighteen: Imperforate Printings 195
Origin -- commentary on each denomination

Chapter Nineteen: Cancellations: A Short Guide 203
Regulations relating to postmarking -- types of postal cancellations
-- fakes and forgeries -- bibliography of relevant works

Appendices 215
A Registration 215
B Rates of Postage 219
C Quantities of Small Queens Issued 22
D Position Dots 224
E Way Letters 225
F Plate-Destruction Records 227
Bibliography 231
Index 233


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Posted 02/08/2012   9:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the details Studystamps.
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Posted 02/08/2012   11:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mystic226 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I had these in another post and was discussing them with Bee See, so I though I would move them over here. The vertical pair has no dots, and the horizontal pair has dots on both stamps.





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Posted 02/09/2012   09:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In this thread, https://goscf.com/t/17809#161734 I speculated that the stamp below was a 37, but I thought the colour was a bit close to vermillion (#41).



However, I think I found a dot; not at the bottom, but at the top! Perhaps the dot is lower than normal so that a perforation shift would make it appear on the top? I do know that perforations sometimes cut out the dot entirely. Any thoughts?



Also notice there appears to be a re-entry at the A and N of Canada?
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Posted 02/09/2012   11:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BeeSee...I thought all the dots were closer to the left edge of the stamp design as this one below...Yours seems to be inward, I wonder if it may be part of a re-entry stamp...???



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Posted 02/09/2012   11:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree Wert - but the dots do move around; 90 stamps in the sheet have them and I wonder if anyone has seen any extreme positioning of them.
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Posted 02/09/2012   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I wonder if anyone has seen any extreme positioning of them.

That is an interesting question BeeSee.
Wonder if anyone else has input to that question...???
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Posted 02/09/2012   11:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very possible that misperfing could account for change in dot positionions. As shown with my pair even 2 stamps side by side can be misalligned from the plate itself.
I would definatly say that Bee See's stamp is a true re entry as well. You can check ralphs site and see if its listed and if not he always appreciates submissions . Can't tell looking at other areas if there are other signs of doubbling but that is pretty extreme on the A and N .
I did numerous searches for that book studystamps mentioned and only the greene foundation has it. Interesting note that only 250 were printed and at $150 it may be worth the investment as a true rarity in collecting. Even if it goes into second printing the first will be rare.
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Here are the 6 I posted earlier that arrived today. Scan is 1200dpi Using my computer perf I noticed - from left to right top to bottom. 1-12.4?x12.4?, 2-12.4?x12.1?, 3-12x12, 4-12.25x11.75, 5-12.25x12.4?, 6-12.25x12. That is left side and top perfs. Bee See can you auto cad #1-2-5 ? I fully trust the autoad method more than anything I have including my eyesight. If not no problem but I don't want to peroxide anything I potentially should leave well enough alone. Can tell extreme oxidation on a couple but others seem to be very consistant copperish color.
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