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Germany - Red Obl On Back

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Posted 02/05/2012   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cdnum to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,

Do you know why red OBL is on back?

Is it because cancel (obliterate) ?





Thank you!

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Posted 02/05/2012   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdnum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
World Classic... not modern... Sorry

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Posted 02/05/2012   8:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd suggest that is an expertisers mark, CDNum,
and a pretty gross one at that.

Not listed here
http://www.filatelia.fi/experts/namesm.html

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Edited by rod222 - 02/05/2012 8:26 pm
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Posted 02/05/2012   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't recognize it. Could be an expertizer's mark, but it's not a recent one. But then again, it would be highly unusual for an expertizer to use red ink.
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Posted 02/05/2012   8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sirruspoe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have some stamps with a blue obl overprint. I cannot recall the country at the moment. I will have to do search and let you know.
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Posted 02/05/2012   9:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Is there anything about this Issue that would warrant
an expertisers mark?
Known varieties? paper?


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Posted 02/06/2012   01:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add peterethio to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if it is the initials of a collector.
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Posted 02/06/2012   02:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good suggestion, Peter.
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Posted 02/06/2012   05:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdnum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

"Is there anything about this Issue that would warrant
an expertisers mark?
Known varieties? paper?"

Good question Rod222!

I'm not sure about cancel/date too; district name, city name...?

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Edited by cdnum - 02/06/2012 05:18 am
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Posted 02/06/2012   06:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add AnthonyUK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the mark of the respected collector Osama Bin Laden

On a more serious note this issue was forged by the British during WWI so it could be unusual in this respect but more likely an owners mark.
Check watermark and paper against other if you have any.
It is far to heavy for any self-respecting expertiser to use.
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Edited by AnthonyUK - 02/06/2012 06:38 am
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Posted 02/06/2012   07:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the postmark is from Biebesheim (Biebesheim am Rhein) in Hesse.
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Posted 02/06/2012   08:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It does not fit the typical German convention for placement of expertizer marks. This particular placement would indicate a genuine used imperf stamp.

(Which doesn't prove that it is not an expertizer's mark...depending on when and where the mark was applied, it could have been made by an expertizer who didn't follow this convention.)

I'm guessing owner's mark.
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Posted 02/06/2012   5:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdnum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Normaly OB or OBL is in relation with "Obliterate". Maybe something special at Biebesheim in 19?? ... I don't know... weird :-)

Thank you all experts!

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Posted 02/06/2012   5:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I thought about that, but "obliterate" wouldn't be the proper term in German.
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Posted 02/06/2012   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cdnum to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes PostmasterGS... it is important. Maybe OBL is corresponding to another thing in Germany.

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Edited by cdnum - 02/06/2012 5:37 pm
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Posted 02/06/2012   9:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I toggle between the suspect and a copy I have
and both look similar, there is movement
down near Germania's right breast plate and hand on the sword.
The problem is, my only two copies are heavily cancelled as well.

Do we know how to identify the forgery?
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