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Re 1937 One Shilling Lyre Bird With Reversed C On Watermark.

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Posted 04/21/2012   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Horamkhet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message


Hi to all

I finally found out about the watermark.

Two Dealers told me that it is not common and does sometimes turn up.
It is not a extreme rarity, but does sell for a nice sum, the last one they heard of was about eight years ago and fetched about $700.00
So as it cost me nothing I am happy.

I have another enquiry about another lyrebird.
Does anyone know what the No.8 signifies.
Any information would be appreciated.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 04/21/2012   7:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find Horamkhet good on you.

Numbers seem to remind me of stamps on newspaper wrappers but that is not going to cost one shilling.

Maybe it is PO number 8 in Sydney or Melborne.

It is a nice clear strike.

Someone will know!

KGV
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Posted 04/21/2012   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi KGV Collector
You have really inspired me.
I am sorting all the early Australian stamps into date eras, then checking the Perfs and watermarks.
It is exciting. Who knows what may turn up.
I have found two KGV's with with reversed watermarks, but I think they are from booklets, I could not be lucky enough to find one worth thousands.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 04/21/2012   8:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The fun your having Horamkhet is so good money can not buy it.

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Posted 04/22/2012   01:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Horamkhet, Can you scan the back of the Stamp and Post. ?
Doesn't matter if it's not clear, I'll use Photobucket's editing to bring the w/mark out.

Also, hold the stamp up 'near' the Suns brightness with Obverse facing you for absolute confirmation. I've found some 'C's that 'appear' Reversed viewed from back.
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Posted 04/22/2012   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The No.8 is part of a Sydney or Melbourne machine cancellation from memory - quite common, and usually regarded as less desirable than a CDS.
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Posted 04/27/2012   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Hi Finches
Sorry it took so long, my computer has been out of action for a while.
Hope you can do something with it.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 04/28/2012   03:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Horamkhet, This is the best I could with Photobucket using your posted image. I'm trying to place C & A with respect to the centre Crown.

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Posted 04/28/2012   04:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Horamkhet, this KGV 1d shows the bottom reversed C a little easier. I wonder if the C above the Reversed bottom one was damaged. The w/m Dandy Roller appears worn and not in the best of condition.


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Posted 04/28/2012   08:30 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



Hi Finches and all
I finally got a half decent photo of the watermark.
You can clearly see the Reversed C.
I managed to get the photo with a digital camera, mind you I took about 20 shots just to get these
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Horamakhet
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Posted 04/28/2012   10:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Horamakhet,

In viewing the below enhancement of your watermark image, it seems to me that the C is not reversed -- the spine on its right-hand side appears faint but is present.

Steve


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Posted 04/28/2012   7:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Tomiseksj
The pictures are bad but when viewed saturated with fluid, the c is definitely revered.
I took it to two dealers who examined it and they both concluded that the c is reversed.
In fact it sometimes gives the appearance of the C nearly being an O.
It is one of those things that you have to metaphorically speaking "see in the flesh" to see it properly.
I appreciated all comments, and all comments help us to understand and appreciate philately and build an understanding of the exciting world of faults, flaws and watermarks.
One place I showed it to was an auction house and they have suggested that I put it into auction, but I want to keep it till I decided to sell all my collection.
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Horamakhet
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Posted 04/28/2012   7:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tomiseksj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Horamkhet,

If you do choose to put it up for sale or auction, I'd recommend first getting the watermark certified by a reputable authority.

Steve
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Posted 04/28/2012   7:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Horamkhet to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi tomiseksj
I totally agree with you there.
The auction house told me that they can provide me with the name of a reputable authority as there reputation is at stake also.
It will hopefully never be sold as two of my children are beginning to take a serious interest in stamps
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Horamakhet
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Posted 04/29/2012   01:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Horamkhet. Howdy, my friend. If 2 separate dealers have confirmed the C's reversed state - that's a Fantastic find. These Monitors/Electronic devices don't do justice showing the C reversed.

A MUST check is to hold the Stamp (picture facing you) up toward (not in) a bright light source, confirming the outline of the Reversed 'C'. Then there is NO doubt.
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Posted 09/08/2016   1:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mfie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi everyone and horamkhet..

I had one what you all been discussed all this long

Please take a look

It is C reversed being at right top corner from image..

Can you justify??

As my post dated 09 Sept 2016..u must have look at it..if you want more image I could provide over email
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