Japanese, Hong Kong, Siam Forgeries??

I am changing the title of this thread. I would like to determine if the Hong Kong Four Cents or Siam Jubilee stamps are forgeries. It has been determined that the pretty much all of the Japanese stamps are. The pictures of the Japanese stamps were looked at by the Japanese philatelic society.

Does anyone have any info. on the Hong Kong or Siam stamp??? I have also read that forgeries done by certain forgers can be more valuable than the actual stamp - although they need to be signed by the forger. Does anyone have any expertise in this?

Below is my original post which has the pictures:

So I am completely new to stamps and I bought a large lot of stamp books at an auction. I was having fun going through them (they are huge and contain a ton of stamps) looking up different world stamps when I came across a page with some sealed japanese stamps. I am wondering if anyone can help me price these. A few I can't find anywhere and others are listed for a good amount of money on ebay but I am skeptical! I think that I may either be looking at different stamps (on ebay- I am not sure of what I have) or that these that I have are fakes (I assume people counterfeit stamps). So if anyone can help me first determine what stamps these are and second if they are fake or not... I would really really appreciate it!

Update Since Original Post.
Here are the new pictures.

Hello wadek, welcome!

The pics you have so far are not of good enough quality for determining what they are exactly. A scanner (flat bed) is best at 600 dpi. Libraries sometimes have scanners if they have computers (mine does anyway).

A photo can be taken that is OK but you need to be a professional with proper lighting and equipment and skill. Only one person so far I have seen on here was that and had that. So, do not despair, only one in a million can do a photo of a stamp justice anyway.

You could try a better camera on a tripod to steady it. Right now the stamps are out of focus, not good for looking at details and such, and some stamps look the same as you have guessed or are counterfeit so details are the thing.

Top to bottom, you have:
Japan
Japan 15 sen red - genuine
Siam Jubilee
Japan
Japan 30 sen purple - genuine
[can't see]
Burma - big black "blob" overprint
Japan
Hong Kong - genuine

Sorry I don't have time to look them up now, but that will get you started. The cheapest scanner makes a better image than a $500 camera, unless the camera has the "macro" feature.

Oh, and it's much better to have someone who knows what they're doing talk to you then me, who doesn't know Japan except for a very few modern stamp.

Thanks doug2222.

Doug
aka Puzzler

Amazing I really appreciate all of the help so far! Thank you!

The one that you said was a 15 sen is really a 45. I will get these scanned tomorrow.

The big black 'blob' overprint is an occupation stamp issued Burma Independence Army in conjunction with Japanese occupation officials (Scott's). Called Henzada, it is on a Burma SC#18A. There are two versions of this overprint and I think yours is Type 2, though hard to tell from the photo.
Scott's goes on to say "Authorities believe this overprint was officially applied only to postal stationary and that the adhesive stamps existing with it were not regularly issued."
Now don't quote me that's it is a type 2. The images in my 2003 Scott's are not very clear (and also don't provide me with a current value). Perhaps images in newer editions will be better.

Thanks again! I will have scanned versions up by tomorrow and it looks like I should purchase a Scott's.

Cool cancel of a peacock or bird of paradise by the way.

The last stamp is Hong Kong, a British colony at the time (Queen Victoria shown). Some of these were forged, I think there is a thread on Stamp Community here about that somewhere.

A new set of Scott's is well over $300. An older set will help you identify, but the prices are out of date. A common dilemma.

Our local library has 2013 Scott's you can check out, one at a time, but that's unusual.

Don't buy a Scotts just yet wadek. Pretty pricey. Head to your local library, they should have recent sets that you could borrow.
On looking at your bird again, I'll revamp my thoughts and suggest it is an over inked Henzada type 1. There's a point on the right side of the type 2 that isn't on your stamp.
Good luck

To add my bit to doug2222's great info, the Siam Jubilee stamp is one of five values from the "Jubilee Issue", 11th November 1908, overprinted by Gotte. Co., Bangkok. This one is value 8 Atts. Other values 1, 3, 4, and 18. The overprint on the other values is black. The original stamp is from the Wat Jang Issue, December 1905.

The Saeng-Ngern catalogue (Thai) lists it as number 123. I don't have Scott or SG, sorry. 15,000 printed, cat value (S-N, 2008) - just for fun - is 800 baht, or about $25. There are two variants, one with a small "i" and one with spaced "i" and "l". These are worth much more. I haven't seen the variants, so I couldn't say which this is.

Edit: background info - the profile on the stamp is King Chulalongkorn (King Rama V) - b.1853, d.1910. The jubiliee commemorated is, I think, the 40th year of his reign.

If you ever get to a library the Scott's may be in the reference section. At mine the loaners are almost always out but the reference copies (newer versions) are always in, but you can't take them out so remember to take your stamps with you.

The Japanese Occupation of Burma 1 Pie stamp looks to be Gibbons Type 5, which would make this SG J25, catalogued at £225. However, there are so many forgeries of these Occupation overprint stamps around, that I usually assume any new stamp is a forgery, unless it comes with a clear certificate from the BPA or RPS.

@ Scifi - I have started researching myself and found this based on your post Scifi. It shows the Jubilee spacing: http://www.prestigephilately.com/au...thai_166.pdf ... [Look on page 28] I believe that I have the one with the one with spaced "i" and "l". What was the value on those?

So here is a question for everyone- There seems to be a consensus that these types of stamps were faked a lot. What would be the cheapest way to discover if they were real or not? Thanks!

Second Japanese stamp is definitely a forgery. You can see the characters 'sanko' ('reference') above the chrysthanemum.

Third Japanese stamp is also definitely a forgery: same characters.