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Posted 09/24/2012   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi guys
Here is a 1939 first flight letter from Royal Dalton to an address in Ontario...Strange thing is look at both cancellations...The one on the right is stamped normally, but the cancellation on the left is BACKWARDS...?


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Posted 09/24/2012   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could it be the image of the cancellation on the previous letter, just after re-inking?
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Posted 09/24/2012   10:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am not sure Petert4522, you would think that it would not be as dark as the one on the right...I would think if it was from another letter that it would be fairly faint, don't you agree...?
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Posted 09/24/2012   10:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My guess would be ink transfer from a previously canceled letter and the envelopes were stacked wet. Perhaps it was a particularly wet May day in Stoke-on-Trent and the ink didn't dry fast enough? Moisture in the air and all that.
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Posted 09/24/2012   10:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That would be a reasonable explanation jamesw.
Case closed (I think) ...Thanks guys.
By the way...here is the front of the cover...


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Edited by wert - 09/24/2012 10:58 am
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Posted 09/24/2012   11:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In fairness, I think that's what Peter was also saying.
Interesting look at the front of this cover. I'm surprised to see Kings George V and VI together. I was under the impression (something a senior member of my club said) that after the death of a monarch, and a new monarch was in place, it was illegal to use the stamps of the deceased. That they were now no longer valid for postage.
Am I (and he) mistaken?
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Posted 09/24/2012   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kuhli to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I would think if it was from another letter that it would be fairly faint, don't you agree...?


could it possibly be transfer from a missed strike? envelopes are fed into the striker, where the cancel is stamped onto the cover, with a solid plate behind the envelope to support the pressure of the striker. if there is no envelope, the striker will leave a fully inked impression on the solid plate. with the next envelope, the pressure of the strike will transfer the full inked impression (in negative) to the reverse of the envelope.

just a possibility.
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Posted 09/24/2012   11:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
kuhli...That could be a good reason for the darker colour of the cancellation.

jamesw...Are you suggesting I have an illegal envelope (ha,ha)....OR a rare envelope...
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Posted 09/24/2012   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bamra1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


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I was under the impression (something a senior member of my club said) that after the death of a monarch, and a new monarch was in place, it was illegal to use the stamps of the deceased. That they were now no longer valid for postage.
Am I (and he) mistaken?


Yes you (and he) are. Victoria's stamps were demonetised around 1902 and Edward VII's around 1912. But the stamps of George V, Edward VIII and George VI remained valid until 1971 when along with the early Elizabeth II stamps they went down the Swannee due to decimalization.

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Posted 09/24/2012   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A good example of "Clipper" mail too.

As Jamesw pointed out, I too usually I see KG VI in combination to make up the Clipper rate of 1 /- 3 P but seldom have I seen this with two reigns. I think this is the first I have seen with this combination.

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Edited by Bujutsu - 09/24/2012 1:13 pm
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Posted 09/24/2012   1:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thankyou for the clarification Bamra. Goes to show, don't believe everything you hear.
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Posted 09/24/2012   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add smauggie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a pretty common phenomenon resulting from over-inking the machine canceller.
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Posted 09/24/2012   1:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bamra and all

To the best of my knowledge, this was not gospel when a reigning monarch died. If it was, then all I can say was that law has not been policed that well. I have aso seen covers with KG VI and QEII on cover. So, to be honest, I am not sure.

Chimo

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Posted 09/24/2012   4:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So Bujutsu, bottom line is that this combination exists but not to the extreme of being common place....Correct...??
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Posted 09/24/2012   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would say 'not rare' but not seen often. <G>

That's about the best I can say lol

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Posted 09/24/2012   7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your a real diplomat Bujutsu ..a real diplomat...ha,ha
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