Shs Query - Austrian Postmark Specialist Required

A 1919 stamp from the Croatian area of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats & Slovenes.
I know nothing of the arcane world of Austrian postmarks, but the cancel appears to me to emanate in Vienna.

So what's the problem? It's from an SHS cover to Vienna. One stamp missed cancellation at the despatching office, so the receiving office did it's duty and cancelled it. Finish.

Well, no. Because (did I forget to mention?) it's a newspaper stamp, and to the best of my belief these were only valid internally!

So, given that we know the SHS made a lot of use of Austrian postal whatnots captured in the endgame of WW1, is there any possibility that cancellor could have been used outside Vienna (e.g. a mobile military or postal agency) where it could have been captured?

Failing that, anyone got a sensible solution? And failing that, a bit of wild speculation will be entertained.

Maybe it could be "Weinitz"?? I think that Weinitz is the Austrian name for the "Vinica", one of the boroughs in Croatia today.

Weinitz was probably an official name of that borough while it was under Austria... and 1919. was still transitional time... maybe they issued new stamps, but still didn't make a new postmarks...

I'm seeing 2|1 WIEN 77, but I'm trying to convince myself that it could be Weinitz...

Great thinking. I'd taken it for granted that the smudge at the end was a sub office number, but your suggestion makes much more sense.

There were 3 POs under the SHS called Vinica: Vinica Juzna in Serbia, Vinica pri Crnomlju in Slovenia, and Vinica kraj Varazdina in Croatia. The only one that I know for certain had the Austrian name of Weinitz is the Slovenian one (Weinitz bei Tschernembl) but I will check the others too. It might seem, given the stamp, that the Croatian one is the main candidate, but 'Croatian' stamps at this time were valid throughout the Kingdom, and it is not unusual to find them used in Slovenia.

You are entirely right that once captured the cancel could easily be in use in 1919; many such were still in use in the early 20s. I've seen one used in mid 1920 in Zagreb, where you would have thought they would have got new equipment very quickly, as opposed to outlying villages.

Thanks again.

If this helps anyone...

It looks like a "WIEN 77" postmark to me.

Anyone know where in Vienna the 77 suboffice was?
And is the 2/1 a cancellor id number? Or what?

I'm sorry to seem so ignorant, but my knowledge pretty much disintegrates at the Pavlicevo Sedlo.

I agree.

Surely newspapers could be sent internationally, especially within the boundaries of the old empire. I believe the cancel was applied on arrival at Vienna.

I don't know enough to make pronouncements on this, but I believe that the bottom half of the ring would have shown the counter number for this device (i.e., the particular counter at the post office that is identified in the top half of the ring).

I don't have a list of Vienna post offices.

Here's an example of another WIEN 77 postmark captured from the internet. This one is "10 WIEN 77":

Nice one

Newspapers can of course be sent internationally, but not for 2 filir, which was the internal rate. 'Within the boundaries of the old Empire' would have been an internal rate until 30th Nov 1918, but not subsequently.

It would be very unusual to make up an external printed paper rate from a mixture of internal rate newspaper stamps, with or without postals; but admitedly not impossible.