Ireland Scott 59?

Looking for confirmation here. My Scott's says that the Harrison & Sons printing of 1923 would have the second "e" of "eireann" slightly raised, the lower end of the 1 slightly rounded, and the inner loop of the 9 is also round. I think I see all of that here, but faintly. The "e" looks like it is raised compared to the "r", but not to the next letter. Can the Irish experts confirm? Thanks in advance.

Looks right the 1 is rounded and 2nd e is raised.
this site might be helpfull to you, aIts my go to http://www.gbos.org.uk/index.php/Country_List/21

The "e" is not a good test.

A better test is the "9" (my opinion). I would say yours is oval, so it is the 1922 printing (Ireland #44 in the Scott catalog). In the "9" of the 1923 printings, the inner loop is almost a circle.

Many of the 1923 overprints being offered for sale are mis-IDed. The better-known dealers are the only ones who consistently ID it correctly.

Here is an example of the 1923 overprint. Notice the roundness of the inside loop of the "9".



If you are looking for the tall "1" variety (not shown above), it's actually the bottom of the "1" that extends below the baseline. It's really "longer", rather than "taller".

Thanks to both. Based on your comments and looking at that excellent link, it is obviously the 1922 version, and not the raised "e" rounded inner circle version. Yet again, the SCF answers my questions.

You're welcome!

Irishjack, that is an excellent link. I've not seen that website before. Thanks for posting the link!!

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The 44 is a shiny blue-black overprint , The 59 is overprinted in blue-black ink, Hard to say if its shiny from the scan.
Also on the 44 the 1 on 1922 the bottom is flat on the 59 it is slightly rounded yours appears slightly rounded,
But I no expert on these

I agree that the base of the "1" is not completely flat in Partime's stamp.

The problem with any flat/round test is that the overprint device suffers wear and tear over time. The sharp "flat" parts might get "not-so-flat" or "not so sharp" over time. Other problems as well, such as incomplete inking... If the base of the "1" were flat, then I would say it is 1922 for sure. I have a problem using the round "1" as the primary test. While the 1923 overprints clearly have a round "1", I'm not convinced that many of the 1922 overprints don't also exhibit characteristics of not-so-sharp "1".

This is why I usually use the oval/round inner loop in the "9" as the primary test.

I am open to correction if others see it differently.

Boy, I will tell you that unless your "e" is much higher than anything else, or the bottom of the "1" is obviously round, it is very difficult to see. I found another that I thought was a Scott 59, but it just appears to be slightly overinked. There are subtle differences in each of the letters (look at the serifs on the S's, for example), but in my second stamp, the circle in the "9" is improved, but still not a circle ... merely an oval. This is one overprint that is pretty difficult to tell. I haven't tried a light yet to see if the color is visible under magnification. That is next on my list.

My second stamp is shown below.

May I suggest that you look through the Wolfe Collection of Irish postage Stamps available on line.

http://www.rarebooks.nd.edu/digital/stamps/irish/

Nice link, Timm! Thanks for posting the link.