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Posted 02/12/2013   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add collector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Modern FDC covers from 1945 onwards seem to be generally mass produced by postal administrations. However, there are some issues that were sold to public but for some reason are rare on FDC. I give couple of examples.

Bangladesh liberation overprint stamps were made in Great Britain and brought to Bangladesh by a British diplomat. They were only available in Dacca on date of issue and 3 values of the set 10p, 5 R and 10 R were available.

There are many covers with 20 Dec 1971 cancellation but if they have all stamps of the set they are made in Great Britain and if the DEC does not have broken "E" which results in word looking like DFC, they are done after the issue by Bangladesh post.

I have seen an estimate that only 20 covers are known with genuine Dacca first day cancellation and set of 3 values. The explanation for the rarity being that the set with high values was very expensive for people struggling after war. Is there any information of the price for these covers nowadays?


The perforation machine broke down when Finland 1999 Roads stamps were produced. Most of the booklet panes from the first batch with perforation 12 1/2 were used on FDC and the remaining were used for booklets. The common version of the booklet has perforation 14 and very few booklet panes ended up on FDC covers. Perforation variations are easy to spot as 12 1/2 has 30 perforation holes and 14 has 32 holes.

FDC with perforation 14 has been for sale in auctions less than 5 times according to information that I have received from dealers. The last time it sold for 134 Euros plus commission.


Can you add more examples of common stamps that are very scarce on FDC? This is meaning normal issues for sale in post offices, not some limited edition cold coated collector's issues.
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Posted 04/08/2013   11:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SaveBigBlue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello, I have read with interest your discussion on 'Rare modern on FDC'. I have never heard the term "...not some limited edition cold coated collector's issues...". What does this phrase mean, more specifially ---> "...cold coated collector's issues..."?
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Posted 04/08/2013   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SaveBigBlue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Additional Questions about the following two statements, that you have made:

1."Bangladesh liberation overprint stamps were made in Great Britain and brought to Bangladesh by a British diplomat. They were only available in Dacca on date of issue and 3 values of the set 10p, 5 R and 10 R were available.", and

2."There are many covers with 20 Dec 1971 cancellation but if they have all stamps of the set they are made in Great Britain and if the DEC does not have broken "E" which results in word looking like DFC, they are done after the issue by Bangladesh post.".

Q. 1(a)->How many of these "overprint" stamps were made in Great Britain?
Q. 1(b)->Of the "overprint" stamps that were made in Great Britain, how many were actually brought over by the British diplomat, presumably on or before the December 20, 1971 release date in Dacca?

Respectfully,

SaveBigBlue
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Edited by SaveBigBlue - 04/11/2013 12:23 pm
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Posted 04/29/2013   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BlackJag to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's canada's SC 1250ii Canadian Infantry Regiments issue of September 08, 1989.

Technical printer difficulties resulted in all but 50 full panes being produced with inscription blocks, making OFDCs rare. Total production was 79,46,700 se-tenant stamps.

Normal OFDCs of the period with PBs were catalogued at $1.90, whereas this OFDC is catalogued at $110.00 and MNH PBs at $250.00.

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Posted 04/29/2013   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BlackJag, thanks for showing that Canadian Infantry Regiments FDC.

Just shows though what a bad deal First Day Covers really are
since the MNH PB is worth more than twice as much as the one
on the FDC.

This issue was basically the final straw with me as far as buying matched imprint blocks of every issue.
At that time I wrote the Philatelic Centre a couple of times asking why the Plate Blocks weren't made available to long term subscribers instead of just a select few.

What they should have done is either trim all the imprint as was done for field stock at the time so that no one got any or somehow produced enough for every one.

After that I told Canada Post to shove it and since then have bought very, very few new stamps such as the $10 whale and the $2 QE but after I scan them I use them for postage.
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Posted 05/11/2013   08:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add soumik to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i have all the three stamps from the 1st post fdc of bangladesh
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Posted 11/28/2015   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Shodan to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Noticed this thread while working on my Bangladesh page.
The first issues for Bangladesh are quite an interesting subject.

The Format International Security Printers printed the issue under direction of a E.E. Oatway by request from John Stonehouse who was a previous postmaster general for Great Britain.

To answer SaveBigBlue's questions.

1.) All of them and there are many of them. Exact quantity will never be known. Two types of the overprint exist. One is 12mm height of the letters and one is 13mm height. The 12mm height was accepted on the 10p, 5r and 10r stamps simply because Mr. Stonehouse delivered those in Dacca on December 20, 1971. He only had a few panes at the time. The other values were shipped in a large shipment later but were never validated.

My theory being that the other five values were not validated because only the 1st issue and the 3 values Mr. Stonehouse brought were all that could be validated as the issues were immediately placed on sale in Dacca on that same day, the 20th of December.
Odd circumstances of British and American stamp dealers already selling them before their arrival in Bangladesh were another factor.

As for the 13mm overprints they were most likely a second overprinting with a purposeful slight variance to avoid legal actions against the agent E.E. Oatway. None of the 13mm type were ever sent to Bangladesh. They were made because the 12mm ones sold out in a hurry on the worldwide market.

2.)Question answered above. Only a few panes (said to be 10) were delivered on December 20 by Mr. Stonehouse in person because of the wartime situation. The rest shipped at a later date with the other five values. They were found several years later in the treasury. Covers dated 1974 were produced with all 8 values on them
in Chittigong only for philatelic reasons. Some of the stock of invalid values being used on them.

Some of the stock was used on the "unofficial" official FDC's. They were produced and "issued" by representatives of Bangladesh government in England. The FDC's with all eight values were never sanctioned by the government of Bangladesh. The "representatives" are unknown. Probably E.E. Oakway as he was the "official" agent representing Bangladesh at the time.

Indeed one of the many mysteries that surrounds the Format Printers.
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Posted 11/28/2015   1:10 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John Stonehouse? Now there was a dodgy politician!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-520935.html
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