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Posted 02/18/2013   8:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dicati to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I got these 2 from ebay, any opinion about the cancellation would be appreciated.



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Posted 02/18/2013   8:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My understanding is that all used examples of these stamps are either fakes or were cancelled well after the fact for occupying troops that happened to be collectors.
By April 20th the Berlin city center was under constant bombardment and within a few days was subject to close combat. I can't imagine that there was any mail going anywhere, or even many people out in the streets anywhere unless they were fighting. I'm sure there are a number of articles about these issues, and there are certainly people who know far more than I do about them who can add to this.
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Posted 02/18/2013   9:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The provenance of used copies of the SA/SS issues is one of the longest-running, most hotly-debated topics in German philately. Entire volumes have been written on the subject. There was a good 17-page summary in the December 2010 issue of the German Postal Specialist (the publication of the Germany Philatelic Society), which then sparked numerous additional articles in the following months. Like I said, it's a hot topic.

In short, the stamps are known to have arrived at several post office in Berlin during the closing days of the war, but there are serious questions about whether mail service was still in operation due to the presence of Russian forces. There are theories involving postal carriers and private couriers making a few runs, and there has been detailed analysis of the volume of non-SA/SS stamped mail from those locations during the same period in an attempt to determine if the mail service was still in operation. End result... a few competing theories, but no concrete proof.

For this reason, the BPP will no longer issue certs for these issues. There are a few old certs floating around. The general feeling is that even if there was some small volume of mail validly cancelled and routed through the postal system, it's nowhere near the volume of cancelled SA/SS issues on the market today.
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Presenting the GermanStamps.net Collection - Germany, Colonies, & Occupied Territories, 1872-1945
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Posted 02/18/2013   10:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dicati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found some info in a document that has a conversion of stamp collectors about these stamps. I quoted it here.


Quote:
1. The first day of sale was April 21, not April 20. ALL April 20th
covers are postwar forgeries that were sold for American dollars
(this accounts for about 90% of all known covers).

2. All covers with Berlin W 73 c postmarks (without hour) are forged.

3. A Bedarfsbrief from Berlin-Charlottenburg 2 bn is know from April 25
(not with SA/SS stamps).

4. Berlin-Wilmersdorf 1 ceased operation on the evening of April 21.
All covers with 1a, 1d, 1q and 3d postmarks from the 24th and 25th
are forgeries.

5. All covers with Berlin C25 h and C 25 you postmarks from April 20 & 21
are forgeries.

6. All Berlin C43 o covers from April 21 are forgeries.

7. All Berlin W8 ss covers from April 21 have backdated postmarks.

8. All Berlin W30 covers from April 21, 23 and 24 are either forged or
backdated.

9. The last American bombing raid on Berlin was the morning of April 21.
At midday the Soviet artillery barrage began. All communications
between inner city post offices ceased at this point.

10. It was common practice for dealers to be supplied with new issues
prior to the first day of sale so that they would have ample time to
prepare covers.


May be mine are backdated cancelled stamps
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Posted 02/18/2013   10:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Ross to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
April 20th was Hitler's birthday wasn't it? Understandable to think that might help sales.
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Posted 02/18/2013   11:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
9. The last American bombing raid on Berlin was the morning of April 21.
At midday the Soviet artillery barrage began. All communications
between inner city post offices ceased at this point.

Your stamps are cancelled on the 22nd, so it seems unlikely that they would have been backdated.
Something I found on the web.
http://axis101.bizland.com/Article.html
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Posted 02/18/2013   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, April 22, 1945 was a Sunday.
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Posted 02/18/2013   11:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some interesting reading here, too.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...443&start=30
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Posted 02/19/2013   12:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dicati to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for you info, Revcollector, may be the forger forgot that 04.22.1945 was a Sunday.
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Posted 02/19/2013   02:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jan-Simon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Over here in the Netherlands, mailboxes are still emptied on Sunday and mail is delivered on Monday. In my view that means the mail has to be cancelled on Sunday. I cannot see it was any different 70 years ago. This of course neglects the fact that they had other things to do in Berlin on April 22nd, 1945 than cancelling letters for stamp collectors...
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Posted 02/19/2013   12:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was going to mention the Third Reich Study Group (TRSG) but see that this is already pointed out in the url that revcollector gave us.

There is a lot of information in that study group from people who collect only that kind of material and they have a wealth of knowledge in there too, as well as the members in here

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Posted 02/22/2013   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NBSTAMPER to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating thread and great discussion. The controversy surrounding these items would, in and of itself, make for an interesting album page.
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Posted 02/22/2013   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampvirgin to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
everything everyone else has said and.....

they are way to clean for war postage... and the cancels are too perfect for that time period when they were getting the carp bombed out of them...
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