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Japan- Postmarks Or Stamps Oddly In Kiloware? Translation

 
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Posted 02/28/2013   4:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add nitrolures to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Was soaking an old envelope full of fairly general worldwide material and came across these 4 chinese postmarks. Now the odd part is I didn't see any china stamps in the mix and it seems rather odd that these would be cut this way. I have no idea of translation but wondering if these are just cut postmark cancels or possible actual psid stampings. I just don't see why just the cancel would be cut and saved vs with the associated stamp . Zhang, fotofila tonymac need your help here. Apologise if upside down or backwards.
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Posted 02/28/2013   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tonymacg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are Japanese postage paid cancels, and you have numbers 1, 2 and 4 upside down.

First is from Chuo (or Central) Office, Nagano Prefecture. Second, Shizuoka Office. Third from Semboku-cho, Morioka (Iwate Prefecture). Fourth from Iitagawa (Akita Prefecture)
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Posted 02/28/2013   5:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow couldn't have been faster if I called AUS direct. So they were basically postage rather than just a cancel which makes more sense. Most of the material in this batch was approximatly 1970's 80's - would these be simular from a date perspective? Any value or just an add on to my upcoming japan auction?
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Posted 02/28/2013   7:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZhangCheng to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks tonymacg for your fast paraphrasing, my first read for "ÁϽð±ðÄÉ" was "cost-do not pay" literally in Chinese language.

nitrolures, here is the reason why you thought these are China postmarks.
From WIKI:
Kanji are the adopted logographic Chinese characters that are used in the modern Japanese writing system along with hiragana, katakana, Hindu-Arabic numerals, and the occasional use of the Latin alphabet. The Japanese term kanji for the Chinese characters literally means "Han characters" and is the same written term in the Chinese language to refer to the character writing system Hanzi.

No idea about the value of these, maybe list them on ebay will have more bidders.
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Posted 02/28/2013   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fotofila to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I grew up in Japan and went to the Japanese college before coming to the US. The characters are Chinese, but they have different meaning from the Chinese definitions. It is NOT translated as "cost-do not pay". The correct translation is "fees paid separately". The upper part identifies the post office of origin and the bottom part are identically stated, "Mail with fees paid separately". These are not cancels. They are printed onto the envelopes used only for bulk mails. So, the sender, usually a company, hands over at the post office thousands of mails in buddles and pays one fee. These are worthless and not philatelically collectable (my opinion). These envelopes were not printed by the post office; they are privately printed by the user using the post office guideline.
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Posted 02/28/2013   7:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nitrolures to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You guys are the best- Oddly I asked for all 3 and got all 3! I thought possibly a postal stationary type thing but the private bulk mailing makes perfect sense. Had to inquire though with the ever increasing rise in Asian philatelic material I look at everything a little harder.
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Posted 02/28/2013   11:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZhangCheng to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
fotofila, thanks for your correction, yours is correct, I only thought of the Chinese character "±ð" means "do not do something", but there is another meaning for "separately" which it is correct translation in this case.
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Posted 03/01/2013   12:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ZhangCheng to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
nitrolures, I have similar situation with you, I have hundreds of France stampless covers, most with nice handwriting, I can not read them and will never know what the content is in the letter, but I really can see/feel the beauty of the handwriting.

Yes, I did try to find the name "Napol¨¦on Bonaparte" in the letters, no surprise for now.
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