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Posted 04/09/2013   10:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rlorenz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message




Can anyone Id these I assume they are BOB but my reference material is limited in this area. Thanks for any help
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Posted 04/09/2013   11:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add doug2222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You won't find them in Scott. A note after Scott #135 says, in part: "...after July 1, 1895, stamps inscribed Escuelas or Instruccion were no longer available for postage..."
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Posted 04/09/2013   12:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add warrehouse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ucollector! Hope you enjoy your stay! Just wait awhile and someone will need help!
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Posted 04/09/2013   4:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlorenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Doug

Thanks I have an older Scott's I'll take a look there I wonder how collectible they are since they were not used for postage or at least discontinued
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Edited by rlorenz - 04/10/2013 12:45 am
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Posted 04/10/2013   01:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, they were listed in the Scott catalog many many years ago. If you are wondering why there is a gap in the Scott catalog for Venezuela #237-244, you just found a few of those stamps!

Originally a part of a set of 8 (5,10,25,50c and 1,3,10,20b), they do exist postally used as well as on-cover. I believe they are still listed in Stanley-Gibbons.

There is a footnote in the older Scott catalogs "a large lot of unused remainders of the above set is likely to come upon the market at any time". Since Scott still lists other similar Venezuelan stamps that were demonetized, I suspect the editor removed the listings for reasons other than "not valid for postage", and simply used that as an excuse.

I see no reason why you should let Scott decide what stamp is collectible and what is not.

In the older Scott catalogs, your stamps were originally Venezuela #242, 240, 239, and 237, respectively.
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Posted 04/10/2013   01:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I checked the other catalogs for you.

The set is listed in Stanley-Gibbons as #317-324.

In Michel, under the Stempelmarken section as #90-97.
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Posted 04/10/2013   05:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jbcev80 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi

From:
Minkus 1980 Latin America 
Blanco 1992 Venezuela Specialized
Stanley Gibbons Part 20 (South America)

Issued July 1904
American Banknote Company
Engraved
Perf 12

Note:  Values are Minkus 1980 x 5 to bring value in
       line with Scott minimum of .25

Minkus  Gibbons Blanco Yvert Michel                Mint  Used
R122    317     108    100   90     5c green        .25   .25
R123    318     109    101   91    10c gray         .25   .25 
R124    319     110    102   92    25c vermilion    .25   .25
R125    320     111    103   93    50c yellow       .25   .25
R126    321     112    104   94     1b claret      5.00   .75
R127    322     113    105   95     3b blue         .25   .25 
R128    323     114    106   96    10b violet      1.00  2.00 
R129    324     115    107   97    20b rose        2.50  2.00

Jerry B
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Posted 04/10/2013   1:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlorenz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
KHJ and Jerry as well as everyone else thanks so much as always I am amazed at the knowledge that is available in this community with everyone's individual areas or expertise ! I will now have to search for the rest of the set of course :)
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Posted 04/10/2013   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Timm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After 1876 two sets of stamps to prepay postage are used side by side, the "Correo" (Post), or "Correos" (Posts), and the "Escuelas" (Schools), altered lately into "Instruccion" (Education). Some authorities declare the latter labels to be revenue stamps which may be used for postage like some of the Australian fiscals; others again say that stamps of the "Correos" class are used for Foreign postage, the proceeds of their sale going to the Post Office Department, while the "Escuelas" and "Instruccion" stamps are set apart for Inland postage, the revenue arising from their sale being handed over to the minister of education for the maintenance of the State Schools. It is strange that in spite of prolonged researches no official decree could be placed before us to prove that those stamps were used exclusively for Inland postal service as is presumed by many philatelists.

Also see: https://goscf.com/t/9059



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Posted 04/20/2013   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All the postings above and all the links that you read about those stamps are only half the story and really don't explain how they got into the philatelic market . What you read here is why they were made and the purpose,they originally were issued to benefit education/schools . But what happen ?
They were then used by the government to pay postal employees,they were short money ,which the employees soon found out that they can sell to exporters who sold them to stamp dealers in Europe..........thats the real story ........it is buried in the records of the APS LIBRARY ,and researched by Neil K. of the library staff,I have photos of the pages he mailed me on the subject somewhere .
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Posted 04/20/2013   03:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add khj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That explains the footnote in the 1916 Scott catalog that I mentioned above.


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There is a footnote in the older Scott catalogs "a large lot of unused remainders of the above set is likely to come upon the market at any time".


Thanks floortrader!
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